Never trust anyone pt. 2

[hlacheen]

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when did seriously Grim start asking for monies? Where are you guys getting that?

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[MitchL]

lol @ 5k reward.

[baltostar]

Stop posting? Why? Because it doesn't jibe with your "good guys / bad guys" view of the world?

This thread is full of all sorts of crap. rick305 must be guilty of grand theft because (a) an online phenom says he is, (b) he's Mexican, (c) he isn't known as a great player, (d) he isn't defending himself, (e) he hooked up for a road trip with the self-proclaimed victim through 2p2

I don't assume any guilt to either party, and since I don't know anyone involved (even indirectly) it's just like a newspaper article to me.

It's an interesting story, to be sure, but legally all that's occurred so far for certain is that grimstarr has libelled rick305 on a public forum.

[The Bride]

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I really don't see how many of the scum in this thread can bash Grim at a time like this, sure he backed out of a flip but hello? Can't you tell a difference between that and being robbed of 130K?


I'm not overly fond of Grim but please, mock someone when he's lost something like this is like kicking a girl in the face then spitting on her because she didn't flip a coin with you.

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Um, no. Backing out of a flip once you've taken a look at your hand is effectively stealing. Just because Grim tried to steal a small amount, whereas this guy has stolen a much larger amount off of Grim, doesn't mean I suddenly have any sympathy for him.

[ahnuld]

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thing is, Rick didn't exactly strike me as Worm, either.

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yeah but he didnt strike me as [censored] socially normal either.

edit: id never would have assumed he did this, just saying he seemed to be missing some social abilities which I would consider stnd.

[Triumph36]

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Stop posting? Why? Because it doesn't jibe with your "good guys / bad guys" view of the world?

This thread is full of all sorts of crap. rick305 must be guilty of grand theft because (a) an online phenom says he is, (b) he's Mexican, (c) he isn't known as a great player, (d) he isn't defending himself, (e) he hooked up for a road trip with the self-proclaimed victim through 2p2

I don't assume any guilt to either party, and since I don't know anyone involved (even indirectly) it's just like a newspaper article to me.

It's an interesting story, to be sure, but legally all that's occurred so far for certain is that grimstarr has libelled rick305 on a public forum.

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You are an absolute dummy. Unless this is a joke started by Grimm with Rick's permission, which I sincerely doubt, who else could possibly have stolen the money? He called the hotel front desk - unless he was coerced to do these things, and is now being held along with the money, it almost certainly must be him.

I don't have a 'good guys'/'bad guys' view of the world - and LOL at suggesting that I do.

[hasugopher]

My thoughts (take them with a grain of salt because I don't claim to be an expert on any of this stuff):

People who are saying that grim deserves this are complete morons. He's backed out of literally one out of hundreds? of flips he's been in and he's a terrible guy? Give me a break. So he was probably 40/60 on that flip and had ~1k EV.

Going to the cops isn't so simple in this case. I probably would. But there's certainly no guarantee that he would get the money back because it was clearly obtained illegally. 'Pleading the 5th' just isn't going to work here. This money could actually be confiscated by the police even if there was no proof that it was obtained illegally. There was actually a discussion about this a while back (it may have even been a result of one of grim's threads), some time shortly before PCA.

Also, this is cash we are talking about. There's no trail. The money could be anywhere. There is a LOT to prove here if going through the cops.

Grim, I sincerely hope you get your money back. I would probably talk to a lawyer and see what they think (chances of getting money back through legal system, jail time other guy is looking at, etc).

Just don't do anything stupid. I know you want your money back and I know you want vengeance (both rightly so and I hope you get both), but you have a good life in front of you. Don't do something incredibly stupid to land yourself in jail for a long time.

[thatpfunk]

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everyone saying "omg go to the police!" how do you think grim has any way of proving that the money is his and not ricks? it is grimms word vs ricks, and grim's word sucks.

grim is screwed.

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I'm sure Grim can produce witnesses that he had won the money, carried it out of the casino, had a laptop case, people can ID the laptop case, the cell phone number, etc. if he finds the stuff.

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rick- "i was staking him, the money is mine."

there are so many different ways that rick could play it plus the chance of commerce going out of their way to show that an underage kid played at their casino for a week straight... there is NO way grim can get his money back via the police. a PI is his best bet and the only thing he should be considering.

[luckyjimm]

Any 2+2s ready to make that trip down to Mexico and bounty-hunt this guy?

I'll do it for $50k; half now, half on delivery. I don't speak Spanish and I'm unfit and scare easily.

Anyone do it cheaper or better qualified?