STTF SNG->cash thread

[King Car]

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not betting the flop to induce. might be bad cus of the draws.

we're deep so i didn't want to get into a bet/fold spot cus the tables been pretty laggy post flop.

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In a 3-bet pot with intiative, and a made hand, and wet board I like a flop bet.

Villain shouldnt have too much reason to think we are FOS here. Also villain has commit such a large portion of his stack to c/r here.

I could be wrong, being that I bomb a lot of flops. Just my .02

[futuredoc85]

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not betting the flop to induce. might be bad cus of the draws.

we're deep so i didn't want to get into a bet/fold spot cus the tables been pretty laggy post flop.

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In a 3-bet pot with intiative, and a made hand, and wet board I like a flop bet.

Villain shouldnt have too much reason to think we are FOS here. Also villain has commit such a large portion of his stack to c/r here.

I could be wrong, being that I bomb a lot of flops. Just my .02

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ya but we want him to think we are FOS if we bet, the fact that he wont think that is why he checked.

[dipstikdave]

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not betting the flop to induce. might be bad cus of the draws.

we're deep so i didn't want to get into a bet/fold spot cus the tables been pretty laggy post flop.

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by 3betting pf, you lost any chance of controlling the pot size, so i would just bet/3bet this flop.

[futuredoc85]

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not betting the flop to induce. might be bad cus of the draws.

we're deep so i didn't want to get into a bet/fold spot cus the tables been pretty laggy post flop.

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by 3betting pf, you lost any chance of controlling the pot size, so i would just bet/3bet this flop.

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whut? did you notice that effective stacks are 190bbs? FWIW i think the flop check is std for pot control/to induce bluffs or light v-bets w/o an incredibly specific read that would make stacking off for 2 buyins here good.

[dipstikdave]

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not betting the flop to induce. might be bad cus of the draws.

we're deep so i didn't want to get into a bet/fold spot cus the tables been pretty laggy post flop.

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by 3betting pf, you lost any chance of controlling the pot size, so i would just bet/3bet this flop.

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whut? did you notice that effective stacks are 190bbs? FWIW i think the flop check is std for pot control/to induce bluffs or light v-bets w/o an incredibly specific read that would make stacking off for 2 buyins here good.

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i'm sure you're right, but i don't understand why we are 3 betting pf, then turning into a calling station when we hit the flop as well as we can expect. if we just call pf, checking the flop would make more sense to me.

[futuredoc85]

well i dont personally like the 3-bet this deep, but i dont see why our preflop action means we have to do one thing or the other on the flop. Like come up with a range of hands that someone will call a bet/3-bet with after they c/r the flop, then come up with a range of hands they will bet 2 streets with after we check flop. Im pretty sure if the ranges are reasonable you'll see that our equity in a 400bb pot vs. the range of hands for them to c/r and call a 3-bet is actually less $ than our equity in a 200bb pot vs the second range.

[dipstikdave]

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well i dont personally like the 3-bet this deep, but i dont see why our preflop action means we have to do one thing or the other on the flop. Like come up with a range of hands that someone will call a bet/3-bet with after they c/r the flop, then come up with a range of hands they will bet 2 streets with after we check flop. Im pretty sure if the ranges are reasonable you'll see that our equity in a 400bb pot vs. the range of hands for them to c/r and call a 3-bet is actually less $ than our equity in a 200bb pot vs the second range.

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thanks, this makes a lot of sense to me.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

villain is 40/19/1 31 hands. How's my line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($13.95)
Button ($39.75)
Hero ($38.20)
BB ($20.85)
UTG ($25.65)
MP1 ($25.35)
MP2 ($18.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.75</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1.5</font>, Button calls $1.50, Hero calls $0.75.

Turn: ($5.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $10.5</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25.5</font>, UTG calls $13.40 (All-In).

River: ($53.30) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $53.30

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

Villain is 37/5/0... how is this line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($9.30)
CO ($8.65)
Button ($24.15)
Hero ($30.80)
BB ($30.15)
UTG ($11.30)
UTG+1 ($29.70)
MP1 ($21.60)
MP2 ($26.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $0.85</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60, UTG calls $0.60.

Flop: ($3.40) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $2.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $5.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $24.75</font>, Hero calls $9.75.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

How's is this line? Ok to call small turn bet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($25)
Button ($25.25)
SB ($7.20)
BB ($6.35)
UTG ($26.55)
Hero ($26.10)
MP1 ($23.05)
MP2 ($24.80)
MP3 ($38.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $1.25, CO (poster) calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, MP3 calls $2, CO calls $2.

Turn: ($10.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $2.75</font>, CO calls $2.75, Hero calls $2.75.

River: ($18.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: $18.35