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check/call 1 8.33%
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  #1801  
Old 10-21-2007, 12:05 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $25NL hit straight, now what

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OK, one of these hands was real, but it made me wonder if I should handle other straights differently. How would you play the hand in each of these three different scenerios?

Also, CO seamed fine, not a fish, not a pro.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($34.45)
BB ($34.10)
UTG ($14.10)
UTG+1 ($14.75)
MP1 ($24)
MP2 ($14.30)
CO ($63.55)
Button ($36.10)

Senerio 1... Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Senerio 2... Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Senerio 3... Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75, UTG folds.

Turn: ($4.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $2.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $13.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $32.7</font>, CO calls $18.95.

River: ($70.15) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $70.15

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I am still learning how to use pt, PAHUD... so I think you all provide VPIP, PFR% and total aggression freq, so according to PT he was 38/18/1.5.

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That guy is loose and somewhat aggressive, but not as aggressive as he should be if he's putting money in the pot that often.

I dont think I want to play AT OOP so I usually reraise or fold preflop. If I reraise and he 4 bets I dump it. If he calls I'm fairly careful about playing the hand from there.

I probably just fold JT preflop, although I'd sometimes reraise.

I would usually call the 55 and would not c/r the turn if thats what you had. I think I might call down if he continues under betting the river and just fold if he makes a real river bet.

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I had JT. I also posted in FR, and I guess the consensus is fold JT, AT pf, call 55, but keep pot small w/ @$$ end of str8... nice pot though [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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  #1802  
Old 10-21-2007, 12:06 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: $25NL hit straight, now what

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Simple preflop decision?

Raiser is 20/17. BB is 26/20 and has one of those FT football uniform avatars, which I think means he won a FTOPS tourney or something, for whatever thats worth.

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CO: $145.45
BTN: $569.25
Hero (SB): $202.90
BB: $221.65
UTG: $203.40
MP: $217.15

Pre-Flop: 7 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, Hero ?

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I mixed it up between calling preflop and 3-betting weak pps. 3-betting is eseentially a bluff though.

Also, if you call I don't think you can simply set mine here. So, you going to have to be willing to c/r or donk some good flops.
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:08 AM
GtrHtr GtrHtr is offline
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Default Re: $25NL hit straight, now what

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So, I shove.

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do you mean call?
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  #1804  
Old 10-21-2007, 12:09 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: $25NL hit straight, now what

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So, I shove.

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do you mean call?

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you just beat my edit.
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:12 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $25NL hit straight, now what

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Villain is ~40/12/2.8 in ~100 hands.

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BTN: $171.90
SB: $340.80
Hero (BB): $214.75
UTG: $237.40
CO: $208.40

Pre-Flop: A A dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, SB calls $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, SB calls $6

Flop: ($16) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, SB calls $12

Turn: ($40) 3 (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $25</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $50</font>, Hero calls $25

River: ($140) T (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $140</font>, Hero ?

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I think you have to call river... 6 is unlikely unles it is pocket sixes

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I think (hope) he's asking whether to just call or shove not call or fold!?

I would have shoved the turn, so I'd probably shove here as well.

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If you shove you're only getting called by a hand that beats you right? Why risk more?
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:18 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default $25NL Flop str8

Anyway to get any value, or played fine... just not going to make any money here?

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Hero ($25)
Button ($22.15)
SB ($21.50)
BB ($5.15)
UTG ($9.35)
UTG+1 ($47.85)
MP1 ($7)
MP2 ($11.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $0.5</font>, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero (poster) calls $0.25, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.25, UTG calls $0.25.

Flop: ($3.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.25</font>, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, Button folds, BB folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: $3.85
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  #1807  
Old 10-21-2007, 12:30 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: $25NL hit straight, now what

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If you shove you're only getting called by a hand that beats you right? Why risk more?

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well, I misjudge what he had left. It's like $4.75 more to shove. But, I knew it wasn't much. But, even if it was like $50 more, you are not only getting called by hands that have you beat.
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:32 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: $25NL Flop str8

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No reason not to raise.
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  #1809  
Old 10-21-2007, 12:40 AM
Jbrochu Jbrochu is offline
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Default Re: $25NL hit straight, now what

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Villain is ~35/25 over ~150 hands of data mining. I'm fairly new to this table (maybe a couple orbits) so I dont know how he previously reacted to 3 bets.

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BTN: $314.65
SB: $254
Hero (BB): $203
UTG: $310.75
MP: $100
CO: $76.55

MP posts $2
Pre-Flop: J J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, MP checks, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $9</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $28</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $314.65 and is All-In</font>, Hero ?

He snap shoved, for what that's worth.

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fold your JJ, you have to be way behind QQ-AA, of flipping vs AK, AQ (unlikely, but still flipping)

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I doubt he's playing QQ through AA this way. AQ or AK you have to stick your money in if you knew that's what he had. With his stats I couldn't lay this down.
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  #1810  
Old 10-21-2007, 01:18 AM
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Default Re: $25NL hit straight, now what

I posted that [censored] A9s hand at the Card Runners forum, rewording it so no one would misunderstand it. The people who I talked to on AIM about it misread it the first time there as well [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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