Absolute Soulreading/Rigged thread #3

[ikestoys]

So I just got off the phone with an Absolute security rep.

As of right now, DOUBLEDRAG account has been locked and is under investigation. The investigation into the matter is ongoing, but the rep kept insisting that the player "couldn't actually see the hole cards." I asked then why he was under investigation then. The rep said it was for suspected cheating.

PS He took me a lot more seriously when I very strongly reminded him that I was a very good player. He said, "I can see that" and then actually called the investigations dept they have, which is separate from the security dept.

[Marnixvdb]

how often does that tournament run? Can we see a list of past weeks winners somewhere?

[shakermaker3]

This is the response I got from AP:
Dear XXXXXXXXX,

Thank you for contacting us.

Yes we are aware of all this posts, we always try to be aware of what
our customers, think of our service and if they enjoy playing with us.
That’s why we are always checking into all of the concerns that our
players have and we have taken actions already in this case, because of
our company policies we cant let you know what those actions are, but we
can let you know, that it wasn’t any type of hacking, it was just
someone who didn’t know how to play poker and a hole lot of luck.

If there is anything else we can assist you with please let us know.

Sincerely,

Jose
Team Absolute ~ Security & Control Department [ QUOTE ]


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hahaha interesting word to spell wrong.

[ur2barredout]

Wow this Payup shiz makes me feel like it definitely an inside job by AP. Payup, Steamroller, Potripper all have won big gtds lately on AP, all have been accused of the same type of cheating. Just a little background for you guys on the 1k tourny, many of the players sat into it. The sat tournys are usually rebuys that guarantee 1 seat and it is very very rare that they ever come close to meeting the 1k because most players dont rebuy let alone add on. Would not be surprising somebody at AP decided they were losing too much monies on these tournys so aahhh screw it lets just win some of them and ship the 30k back to us........

[ClubChamp04]

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Theory 1: Cheaters are a rogue group of hackers who somehow hacked into AP's servers and compromised hole card information
Theory 2: Cheaters actually work for AP and used "security" accounts or "super" accounts to view the hole cards

Prediction-Theory 1 If theory 1 is correct, the expected response from AP would be swift. The accounts would be closed, a press release issued to their customers detailing exactly what happened, and then a detailed response about how they will ensure this kind of security breach will never happen again.

Prediction-Theory 2: The response from AP would be slow, and perhaps non-existent. They would drag their feet while formulating an excuse, and perhaps release a few small PR's to judge public response-basically, what we're seeing right now.

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I'll go with theory 2 given the info provided. A lot of poeple here said that it's impossible to hack the server and no trojans were found on their computer. What else could we believe other than absolute is on the front line of this one?

[G_Becks]

Sep-12 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE POTRIPPER ($30,000) 98
Sep-5 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE DIPTHRONG ($30,000) 99
Aug-29 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE DAVIDP18 ($32,700) 109
Aug-22 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE PAYUP ($35,700) 119
Aug-15 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE REBUYPLZ ($38,400) 128
Aug-8 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE SCTROJAN08 ($32,700) 109
Aug-1 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE AARONBEENUF ($31,500) 105
Jul-25 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE DIPTHRONG ($27,900) 93
Jul-18 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE IVJOT ($24,300) 81
Jul-11 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE DUSTINKEENAN ($21,900) 73
Jul-4 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE GULS447 ($18,900) 63
Jun-20 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE CRAZYSKILLS ($28,200) 94

[adanthar]

rjhufhjsdfhusdf I hate you absolute WHY DO YOU MAKE ME FORMAT THESE THINGS MYSELF

PAYUP - Posts small blind $2250
HERSCHELW - Posts big blind $4500
COCESARYUME - Folds
ELEMENO - Folds
BASTET2004 - Folds
CH0PPYPS - Folds
DANIELNEGAA - Folds
THE GRINDER - Folds
PAYUP - Calls $2250
HERSCHELW - Raises $13500 to $18000
PAYUP - Calls $13500
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2s 6h]
PAYUP - Checks
HERSCHELW - Bets $36000
PAYUP - Raises $72000 to $72000
HERSCHELW - All-In $21137

HERSCHELW - Shows [Ad 10d] (One pair, twos)
PAYUP - Shows [7s Kd] (Two Pair, kings and twos)

there are 87,000 more of these hands, he's playing 80/70 with lots of 10x raises going uncalled, and he's exhibiting perfect restealing vs. open folding with big hands behind him over and over. Payup is account #5 for sure. Who wants to go down the list of 1K winners?

[adanthar]

ok I'm gone for 3 hours, someone else play detective for a bit

[Borgland]

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these threads get too big too fast and the clifnotes are too long for me to read

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Then why did you join the forum if you're too lazy/stupid to read stuff?

[casaubon]

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Scientific Method.
Assumption: The cheaters could actually see the hole cards.
Theory 1: Cheaters are a rogue group of hackers who somehow hacked into AP's servers and compromised hole card information
Theory 2: Cheaters actually work for AP and used "security" accounts or "super" accounts to view the hole cards

Prediction-Theory 1 If theory 1 is correct, the expected response from AP would be swift. The accounts would be closed, a press release issued to their customers detailing exactly what happened, and then a detailed response about how they will ensure this kind of security breach will never happen again.

Prediction-Theory 2: The response from AP would be slow, and perhaps non-existent. They would drag their feet while formulating an excuse, and perhaps release a few small PR's to judge public response-basically, what we're seeing right now.

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qft and well said these seem like the only two viable options to me as well at the moment.

whoever is doing this obviously is not covering up well and I believe can be caught.

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Just from a marketing standpoint, there's no way they would take the steps in theory 1. This isn't politics where they're doing spin control with a media that already knows about this. The people who know about this constitute a small % of their actual player base. Sending out a press release "AP gets hacked!" makes about as much sense and Dunder Mifflen calling a press conference to apologize for an obscene watermark.

Whether they got hacked or it was an inside job, their line would be to contain, kill the accounts behind closed doors, and hope the suckers never find out about it. And as some here have implied, they can do that with the understanding that most thinking players will cooperate, because publicly calling into question the legitimacy of the game kills everyone's golden goose, not just Absolute's.

Think about it. If you go to some live game with a bunch of awful players tonight, would you tell them about how Absolute is rigged? Or when they talk about how they always lose, will you just laugh at them and ask if they need help redepositing?