Torre is back... edit... NOT

[Mondogarage]

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Mondo,

Instead of arguing with your Aceshigh level of understanding, I'm going to insult you.

U R IDIOT.

Though since I pity your soul.

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Save your pity for someone who needs it, like your wife or girlfriend.

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Most of the things you mention are results oriented

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Of course. But then, baseball isn't poker. Maybe that's the real problem here -- that most of you are approaching this as sports gambling poker players who are overapplying the principles of not being results oriented. Baseball games aren't dealt from decks of cards or dice rolls.

Yes, statistics like bullpen team ERA may be highly variable, and may serve as a lousy predictor of future success. However, it's a decent indicator, when compared against the same statistic applied to other teams, of who actually performed better over that time period. Do I think the Rockies relievers are the BEST relief pitchers in baseball? Of course not. But they performed the best over that period of time, which means that over that period of time, they were better than other bullpens. Highly variable, but historical events are not variable. Historical events are carved in stone.


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In addition you rag on the Yanks farm system which is pretty effing retarded.

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Actually, I kept asking people to tell me who in the Yankees farm system would be there to fill the holes. If you choose to take that as "ragging", that's your interpretation, but not what I said.

Cano is a very nice player -- but not the dead cert HOFer than the other schome was claiming him to be. He may someday be so...but no, he's not there yet. For the same reason you disparage me for talking down Melky (e.g., not in arbitration years), his claim that Cano is HOF talented is equally misplaced.

Am I wrong in my assessment of Cabrera? Possibly, but I don't see him becoming an all star caliber CFer. I'm willing to be wrong.

[Franchise 60]

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I'm willing to be wrong.

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Finally, a well thought out and correct point.

[Mondogarage]

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Mondo,

"But you keep saying Arizona outplayed Colorado when, in many facets of the game, they simply did not."

My comments weren't a referendum on how good Arizona is or isn't, it's rather a comment on how on one hand you are trying to sell everyone on how the Rockies are at the AL East level (in a Joe Torre thread no less, heh) while they are coming off of a series in which they were statistically even against a team that you spend the rest of your time bashing and pointing out their inadequacies. Does not compute. Well it does compute as blind homerism, which doesn't help objective analysis.

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Actually, I never mentioned the Rockies until someone started bashing me for being a Rockies supporter. If you go back through the thread, my comments were directed solely at the shameful way in which the Yankees "fired" Joe Torre, and how, in my opinion, the Yankees were headed for a few down years.

But then, I'm hardly going to sit idly by when Yankee blind homerists then turn around and claim, with more than enough elitism to choke a Hilton, that a) I have no businees in this forum, and b) the Rockies are nothing but a luckbox and can't win in the AL East, when they already HAVE won in the AL East (in an admittedly small sample).

I didn't raise the Rockies here. But as the AL-homers did in the NLCS thread, I'll speak my piece in this thread.

[Karak567]

Please reply to my post too?

[Mondogarage]

Now I'm beginning to understand. I suspect a lot of people bashing me are too young to remember how bad the Yankees actually were during much of the 80s and early 90s, when they couldn't win a thing. I mean, they weren't horrible (except for right around 1990), but they were certainly mediocre, even though they had years they could mash the ball.

You get so used to having a winning team that you can't even comprehend that it's ever possible you can be anything else. Well, you can. But after a dozen or so years of being a top team, I can understand how you'd find a decline impossible.

It won't be a full season before the NY press is calling for the head of Torre's replacement. Well, if it's Mattingly, he may get a full season...Girardi's probably a better choice, though.

[Mondogarage]

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Mondogarage, I don't know who you are, but you know absolutely nothing about the Yanks system. I understand a lot of your misconceptions, but things have changed bud!

The Yankees have one of the deepest farm systems full of young pitching in all of baseball. Hughes, Sanchez, Joba, Betances are all on the top 100 prospects list. Clippard, Kennedy, Alan Horne and Ross Olhendorf are all on the verge. Some scouts put Olhendorf and Kennedy in the top 100.

ML ready pitchers next year: Hughes, Joba, Kennedy. On the edge: Sanchez and Olhendorf. With potential: Rasner, Karstens, DeSalvo and Wright.

Hughes, Joba and Kennedy were all brought up a little pre-maturely, to fill some holes. They are all going to be hitting their ML-ready years next year. The Yankees have so much depth.

No position players have become ML regulars? Because they are all blocked by all-stars at the ML level! The Yankees have one of the top OF prospects in all of baseball in Tabata and one of the top, albeit raw, catching prospects in Jesus Montero. There are more, but I won't waste your time.

To say that the Yankees are worse than the teams in the NL West is laughable. The AL has the best teams by far in all of baseball, this is not even an argument anywhere. Looking at that, even playing in the much harder AL, the Yankees still had a better run differential than every single team in the NL West.

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Okay, since you asked.

Well, I was actually asking for enlightenment on the Yanks farm system. Unlike most, you've actually provided some. Thanks. I still think DeSalvo's never going to amount to anything, but whatev.

Yes, the AL has the best teams (I'd put the Angels, Cleveland, and Boston in that group), but they also have the worst (Kansas City, Baltimore, Tampa Bay, Texas). So you're going to, naturally, have more spread in your records. The AL has more patently bad teams than the NL. There's more parity in the NL. But the Yankees are simply not categorically better than every team in the NL West.

As for offensive numbers, comparing run differential of a decent team versus others in its own league versus run differentials of decent teams in a league where pitchers bat every game (and thus less runs are scored, leading to lower run differentials generally) seems kinda silly to me.

A strong team in the AL *should* have a higher run differential than a strong team in the NL. Hell, they better be scoring more runs, at least.

[mo42nyy]

yea suggesting he might not be as good as he was in the past is a complete insult. Oh yea except for the fact that its true.The truth hurts sometimes.

[Thremp]

Mondo,

You're worse than Aceshigh.

[mo42nyy]

whats the record for al vs nl in interleague the last few years not the omg the rockies swept the yankees this year
or the rockies had the best interleague record last year (even though for the hole season they sucked)

Like i said I give the rockies credit for taking advantage of their breaks.It doesnt mean they didnt get a ton of them.

[Quicksilvre]

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Actually, sounds like Joe said bye bye to them. Joe deserves better, and the Yankees don't deserve to have such a class act managing them.

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Agreed, I am sure that Joe Torre will find teams lining up to pay him $5 million a year.

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Is there any reason to assume Torre isn't just retiring? He's not a young man; his first year as a manager was 1977. He has to be at least 65 at this point