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#161
10-13-2007, 09:05 AM
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Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I've viewed the behaviour of hundreds if not thousands of college students. [/ QUOTE ] How many were "drunk and stupid" while in class? After all, you are talking (by your own admission) about carrying weapons AT SCHOOL. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, and of that group that show up to class drunk, how many are also members of the group of students who have concealed carry permits? [/ QUOTE ] Why should they need carry permits? Isn't that just the tyranny of the state denying them the right to carry their own property? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, of course. I'm trying to work within his assumptions, here, though. If I don't, everyone bitches about "AC hijacks". If I do, I get stupid posts like yours. A real no-win situation. [/ QUOTE ] Lets get back to the OP! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] AC'er or not, should mentally deranged people have access to guns? If the answer is no, then lets test all applicants gun owners for sanity! I am not sure where you live, but where I do some mentally deficient people are not allowed, and quite rightly in my opinion, to hold a car driving license. To own a gun seems even more silly than letting psychopaths as drivers out on the road. I think that the problem we have here, is that most people desirous of owning guns would fail the sanity test, and therein lies the crunch! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] 
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#162
10-13-2007, 09:30 AM
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Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I've viewed the behaviour of hundreds if not thousands of college students. [/ QUOTE ] How many were "drunk and stupid" while in class? After all, you are talking (by your own admission) about carrying weapons AT SCHOOL. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, and of that group that show up to class drunk, how many are also members of the group of students who have concealed carry permits? [/ QUOTE ] Why should they need carry permits? Isn't that just the tyranny of the state denying them the right to carry their own property? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, of course. I'm trying to work within his assumptions, here, though. If I don't, everyone bitches about "AC hijacks". If I do, I get stupid posts like yours. A real no-win situation. [/ QUOTE ] Lets get back to the OP! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] AC'er or not, should mentally deranged people have access to guns? If the answer is no, then lets test all applicants gun owners for sanity! I am not sure where you live, but where I do some mentally deficient people are not allowed, and quite rightly in my opinion, to hold a car driving license. To own a gun seems even more silly than letting psychopaths as drivers out on the road. I think that the problem we have here, is that most people desirous of owning guns would fail the sanity test, and therein lies the crunch! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] i get a kick out of your posts. your little exclamation points and darling icons. you troll with flair. no more or no less...
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#163
10-13-2007, 09:50 AM
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Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I've viewed the behaviour of hundreds if not thousands of college students. [/ QUOTE ] How many were "drunk and stupid" while in class? After all, you are talking (by your own admission) about carrying weapons AT SCHOOL. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, and of that group that show up to class drunk, how many are also members of the group of students who have concealed carry permits? [/ QUOTE ] Why should they need carry permits? Isn't that just the tyranny of the state denying them the right to carry their own property? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, of course. I'm trying to work within his assumptions, here, though. If I don't, everyone bitches about "AC hijacks". If I do, I get stupid posts like yours. A real no-win situation. [/ QUOTE ] So when you infallably return to the point of the tyranny of the state it is legitimate, when I mention it, it is stupid? That's pretty rich. The point is that this discussion is pointless. Your base political standpoint has made indirectly made your standpoint set in stone. Any argument (regardless of it is good or bad) contradicting it will bring the discussion to that base point nomatter what - who should ultimately get to decide?
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#164
10-13-2007, 09:55 AM
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Your base political standpoint has made indirectly made your standpoint set in stone. [/ QUOTE ] That's a characteristic of AC supporters. Democracy supporters tends to oscillate between two poles in a somewhat tolerable, if not even desirable, way!
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#165
10-13-2007, 10:02 AM
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Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
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Any argument (regardless of it is good or bad) contradicting it will bring the discussion to that base point nomatter what - who should ultimately get to decide? [/ QUOTE ] It certainly seems to me that discussing the fundamentals is much more enlightening, edifying, and instructive that discussing millions of applications one at a time, each in a vacuum. Once such a set of first principles is selected, individual point cases should be fairly straightforward. If they're not, you probably have an inconsistency in your first principles. Why would you object to examining such principles? Do you think a consistent set of first principles is desirable?
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#166
10-13-2007, 10:23 AM
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...lets test all applicants gun owners for sanity! I am not sure where you live, but where I do some mentally deficient people are not allowed, and quite rightly in my opinion, to hold a car driving license. [/ QUOTE ] Are you telling us, Midge, that in Australia every person interested in obtaining a driver's license is subjected to a test of their sanity? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#167
10-13-2007, 10:30 AM
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Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
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[ QUOTE ] Any argument (regardless of it is good or bad) contradicting it will bring the discussion to that base point nomatter what - who should ultimately get to decide? [/ QUOTE ] It certainly seems to me that discussing the fundamentals is much more enlightening, edifying, and instructive that discussing millions of applications one at a time, each in a vacuum. Once such a set of first principles is selected, individual point cases should be fairly straightforward. If they're not, you probably have an inconsistency in your first principles. Why would you object to examining such principles? Do you think a consistent set of first principles is desirable? [/ QUOTE ] You know the answer to that already. The society I support is based on checks and balances, rights and obligations. The society you support is based on complete liberty limited only by property rights and balanced by market mechanisms. For us two to debate general law - whether gun laws or something else - IS uninteresting - even if we both supported what the law gave, we would still disagree on the principle of law. I'd be happy to discuss principles and we can even keep it strictly to the base ethical dilemmas of the democratic state's right to exist - which I even agree can be debated a lot - but right now I have to run to go to a pokergame, but I'm sure the opportunity will open later.
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#168
10-13-2007, 10:54 AM
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Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I've viewed the behaviour of hundreds if not thousands of college students. [/ QUOTE ] How many were "drunk and stupid" while in class? After all, you are talking (by your own admission) about carrying weapons AT SCHOOL. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, and of that group that show up to class drunk, how many are also members of the group of students who have concealed carry permits? [/ QUOTE ] Why should they need carry permits? Isn't that just the tyranny of the state denying them the right to carry their own property? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, of course. I'm trying to work within his assumptions, here, though. If I don't, everyone bitches about "AC hijacks". If I do, I get stupid posts like yours. A real no-win situation. [/ QUOTE ] Lets get back to the OP! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] AC'er or not, should mentally deranged people have access to guns? If the answer is no, then lets test all applicants gun owners for sanity! I am not sure where you live, but where I do some mentally deficient people are not allowed, and quite rightly in my opinion, to hold a car driving license. To own a gun seems even more silly than letting psychopaths as drivers out on the road. I think that the problem we have here, is that most people desirous of owning guns would fail the sanity test, and therein lies the crunch! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] <font color="red"> MidGe. Paging MidGe. I've asked multiple times. What is your sanity test? Twice you've answered other questions, then you've just ignored me. Please answer or stop using this [censored] about "Deranged people with guns." Thank you. </font>
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#169
10-13-2007, 11:59 AM
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Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
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[ QUOTE ] Sounds like an unbiased opinion to me! [/ QUOTE ] Not more biased than any quotes from NRA and similar organizations! Lets put it this way. You favor unlimited gun ownership and you are in a room with a totally deranged person (they do exists). You would say that in the name of freedom you would like, or not object to, him to have a gun!? Ok.. mind experiment.. the walls of that room are moving out... they now encompass you entire house/apartment... the keep on moving out and now the encompass the whole suburb... city... state... nation!? Really??? They'll be more of those that YOU wished didn't have a gun that I can guarantee, even, or even more so, if you are special services personnel. [/ QUOTE ] So your argument is: Quotes and stats from NRA sources are so biased that they are completely worthless. This source I just gave you is the same as the NRA. Listen to my source! Its not WORSE than the NRA! Its legit! Come on.
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#170
10-13-2007, 12:08 PM
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Oh noes, not the nazi analogies again. Obviously having no state is bad, look at somalia etc. [/ QUOTE ] When you say "Somalia, etc." you really just mean "somalia" right because no one ever uses any example EXCEPT for Somalia.
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