** Official September Chat Thread: The Grey Swan **

[illini43]

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[/ QUOTE ]no ty, i don't suck postflop.

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You do seem to kind of suck at life though.

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202 posts in 12 days...hmmm

[chicken10der]

true story: 25bb donk sucks out on me 3 times within a couple of orbits to run his stack up to 140bb. the hand immediately after the third one, i get aa on the btn and it's his bb. i raise and say out loud to myself 'the only way poker is fair is if he has kk here'. he then min3bets me and i'm like 'holy [censored] no way!!!' because that's how donks play their big pairs.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $193.50
BB: $286.45
UTG: $198.00
CO: $208.45
Hero (BTN): $370.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $12.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38.00</font>, BB calls $26.00

Flop: ($77) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $60.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $248.45</font>, Hero calls $188.45

Turn: ($573.90) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($573.90) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $573.90 ($3 Rake)

BB had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$286.45)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON (+$284.45)

so there you have it - irrefutable proof that poker is, indeed, fair.

[illini43]

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true story: 25bb donk sucks out on me 3 times within a couple of orbits to run his stack up to 140bb. the hand immediately after the third one, i get aa on the btn and it's his bb. i raise and say out loud to myself 'the only way poker is fair is if he has kk here'. he then min3bets me and i'm like 'holy [censored] no way!!!' because that's how donks play their big pairs.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $193.50
BB: $286.45
UTG: $198.00
CO: $208.45
Hero (BTN): $370.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $12.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38.00</font>, BB calls $26.00

Flop: ($77) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $60.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $248.45</font>, Hero calls $188.45

Turn: ($573.90) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($573.90) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $573.90 ($3 Rake)

BB had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$286.45)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON (+$284.45)

so there you have it - irrefutable proof that poker is, indeed, fair.

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VINDICATION BABY

[rdrr]

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I was doing some thinking about 'fake-misclicks'.

This is basically when you have a very strong hand, and make an abnormally sized bet. This is done with the hopes your opponent will sense come kind of weakness and try to push you off your hand, or call down with a less marginal holding than they usually would.

Anyways, I was thinking of some ways you could exploit people in this way and came up with something pretty sneaky.

Now, I'm sharing because it wont really work well at my limits -- it's much better at 25NL or 50NL. It's also just an idea, I don't advocate using this! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Also forgive me if this is painfully standard, as I havn't played these limits for some time.

Now, in order for this to work, you need to have at least 101bb's at the table. It's also ideal when you have a few limpers in front of you.

So let's say you're playing 25NL and pick up AA on the button. Two limpers toss in thier .25$ and its to you. Instead of making a standard raise, you now raise to $25.25.

When it gets back to the limpers (or even the BB), they will see the option to call "$25", instead of "$.25".

Also, when you raise, you're only putting 2 chips in (the $25 and the $.25 chip), just like if you were minraising (2 $.25 chips). This is the key, and why it wont work as well at my limits.

It's very easy for your opponents to mistake this raise for a simple min-raise, and call off thier stack with trash. Hell, you might even get two callers with your aces!

I havn't tested this, but I think it could interesting.

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Another one that I almost fell for when 12-tabling is raising to an amount that looks like a shortstack moving all-in preflop at first glance.

For example, NL200 you hold AA on the button, 1 limper, CO makes it $10, now you make it something abstract like $38.55 and sucker him into flat-calling with a bunch of marginal hands.

[the_main]

Yeah, I've done that in tournaments before [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[coordi]

So tired of 70/20/4 donks getting lucky every time they are in a pot with me. Same little [censored] goes all in pre with AQs and hits runner runner straight to my AA

PokerStars Game #12065412171: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/09/15 - 00:59:48 (ET)
Table 'Amalasuntha' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: manicg ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 2: sandman218 ($31.45 in chips)
Seat 3: lobablue ($3.55 in chips)
Seat 4: CaUsE1NeeD ($62.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Coordi ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 7: dumbfounded ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Chévere! ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 9: ElPato24 ($26.65 in chips)
CaUsE1NeeD: posts small blind $0.10
Coordi: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Coordi [Td Th]
dumbfounded: folds
Chévere!: folds
ElPato24: raises $0.75 to $1
manicg: folds
sandman218: folds
lobablue: calls $1
CaUsE1NeeD: calls $0.90
Coordi: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [7d 8d 2h]
CaUsE1NeeD: bets $1
Coordi: raises $3 to $4
ElPato24: folds
lobablue: folds
CaUsE1NeeD: calls $3
*** TURN *** [7d 8d 2h] [7s]
CaUsE1NeeD: checks
Coordi: bets $6.50
CaUsE1NeeD: raises $32 to $38.50
Coordi: calls $13.75 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [7d 8d 2h 7s] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CaUsE1NeeD: shows [7c 9h] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Coordi: mucks hand
Coordi said, "wow"
Coordi said, "wtf"
CaUsE1NeeD collected $49.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $52.50 | Rake $2.55
Board [7d 8d 2h 7s 6h]
Seat 1: manicg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sandman218 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: lobablue (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: CaUsE1NeeD (small blind) showed [7c 9h] and won ($49.95) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 5: Coordi (big blind) mucked [Td Th]
Seat 7: dumbfounded folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Chévere! folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ElPato24 folded on the Flop

Im also tilting

[Kos13]

Well played, sir.

UB NLHE - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players

SB: $271.70
Hero (BB): $204.15
UTG: $100.50
UTG+1: $99.00
MP1: $64.15
MP2: $85.50
MP3: $146.70
CO: $43.60
BTN: $111.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, MP1 calls $1.00, 5 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($2.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.75</font>, MP1 calls $1.75

Turn: ($6) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets $6.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $19.00</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises all-in to $61.40</font>, Hero calls $42.40

River: ($128.80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $128.80 ($3 Rake)

MP1 had 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of eights) and LOST (-$64.15)
Hero had 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (flush, king high) and WON (+$60.85)

[coordi]

this is getting so [censored] old

PokerStars Game #12065823844: Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/09/15 - 01:32:48 (ET)
Table 'Cepheus' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: BadBoards ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 2: lobablue ($18.60 in chips)
Seat 3: roockie117 ($19.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Coordi ($50.85 in chips)
Seat 5: NoVegasForMe ($16.75 in chips)
Seat 6: DaNattiFatti ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 7: DaMachineDAD ($12.60 in chips)
Seat 9: Preduta ($24.30 in chips)
Coordi: posts small blind $0.10
NoVegasForMe: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Coordi [Qd Qc]
DaNattiFatti: folds
DaMachineDAD: folds
Preduta: calls $0.25
BadBoards: calls $0.25
lobablue: folds
roockie117: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Coordi: raises $2.25 to $3
NoVegasForMe: folds
Preduta: folds
BadBoards: raises $1.65 to $4.65 and is all-in
roockie117: calls $3.90
Coordi: calls $1.65
*** FLOP *** [6c Qh 3h]
Coordi: checks
roockie117: checks
*** TURN *** [6c Qh 3h] [Jc]
Coordi: bets $5
roockie117: raises $5 to $10
Coordi: raises $33.75 to $43.75
roockie117: calls $4.65 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [6c Qh 3h Jc] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Coordi: shows [Qd Qc] (a full house, Queens full of Jacks)
roockie117: shows [Jd Js] (four of a kind, Jacks)
roockie117 collected $27.85 from side pot
Coordi said, "wtf"
BadBoards: mucks hand
roockie117 collected $13.75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43.75 Main pot $13.75. Side pot $27.85. | Rake $2.15
Board [6c Qh 3h Jc Jh]
Seat 1: BadBoards mucked [Ac 3c]
Seat 2: lobablue folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: roockie117 (button) showed [Jd Js] and won ($41.60) with four of a kind, Jacks
Seat 4: Coordi (small blind) showed [Qd Qc] and lost with a full house, Queens full of Jacks
Seat 5: NoVegasForMe (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: DaNattiFatti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: DaMachineDAD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Preduta folded before Flop

[Chargers In 07]

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[/ QUOTE ]no ty, i don't suck postflop.

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You do seem to kind of suck at life though.

[/ QUOTE ]wow that came out of nowhere. glad you can judge that by making all poker posts.

[Chargers In 07]

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[/ QUOTE ]no ty, i don't suck postflop.

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You do seem to kind of suck at life though.

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202 posts in 12 days...hmmm

[/ QUOTE ]gee sorry I play NL$50 for a living and try to help people as well as try to learn new things. Poker is my life.