New York City bans trans fats

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So if "they" write the laws, why would they write one that banned something they want to use?

This is getting more and more incoherent.

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exactly. right now the drug companies run the FDA and how drugs get approved, the food corporations run how the foods are regulated, the meat industry runs the USDA, etc.

until that changes laws will only help them and not the consumer, at least not on purpose. this is why local things the new york thing are a good start to empower the people.

the easiest way to look into this is how drugs are approved and how the FDA basically just takes the drug companies word for their research and how FDA scientists and drug company scientists (and political appointees and ceos) have a revolving door, much like congressmen and lobbyists.

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Cliffs notes: government regulation is a joke, we need more government regulation AMIRITE?

[PLOlover]

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Cliffs notes: government regulation is a joke, we need more government regulation AMIRITE?

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it's all about who the lobbys are. on the federal level the corps have it locked up currently and they push their agenda through. In NY, it looks like the consumers are gaining a toehold and are getting some pro consumer stuff through. like everything it's a fight. if you want consumers to give up it just gives total control to the corps and big business.

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it's all about who the lobbys are.

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Which explains why transfats are under the gun while refined sugar is sailing along. Corn/Sugar lobbies are HUGE.

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on the federal level the corps have it locked up currently and they push their agenda through. In NY, it looks like the consumers are gaining a toehold and are getting some pro consumer stuff through. like everything it's a fight. if you want consumers to give up it just gives total control to the corps and big business.

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Who's behind the transfat lobby?

The corn and sugar lobbies are huge, but "the corps and big business" are even bigger, so why is transfat getting the scrutiny?

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Who's behind the transfat lobby?

The corn and sugar lobbies are huge, but "the corps and big business" are even bigger, so why is transfat getting the scrutiny?

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that's a good point, I mean big business is behind the environmental movement beleive it or not (you think all that oil is locked up in alaska because of some environmentalists who chain thenmselves to a trreee?),
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it seems to me that since new york city is an isolated incident it probably is some rich people there who really do want healthy foods in restaurants -- kinda like how MADD was founded by some mothers whose kids got killed driving drunk or whatever.

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Who's behind the transfat lobby?

The corn and sugar lobbies are huge, but "the corps and big business" are even bigger, so why is transfat getting the scrutiny?

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that's a good point, I mean big business is behind the environmental movement beleive it or not (you think all that oil is locked up in alaska because of some environmentalists who chain thenmselves to a trreee?),
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it seems to me that since new york city is an isolated incident it probably is some rich people there who really do want healthy foods in restaurants -- kinda like how MADD was founded by some mothers whose kids got killed driving drunk or whatever.

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Actually one of the biggest voices behind the measure was Robert Deniro... who just happens to own a bunch of restaurants that already worked out all the transfats from their cuisine.

A good rule of thumb is to always assume that if the government is trying to save you from yourself, it's coupled with the support of someone who will profit from your stripped freedoms (someone already more powerful than you)

natedogg

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Actually one of the biggest voices behind the measure was Robert Deniro... who just happens to own a bunch of restaurants that already worked out all the transfats from their cuisine.

A good rule of thumb is to always assume that if the government is trying to save you from yourself, it's coupled with the support of someone who will profit from your stripped freedoms (someone already more powerful than you)

natedogg

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a) you can't go against bobbyD, I mean come on.
b) quit saying it's a freedom issue, the only one who benefits from transfats are big corporations who make cookies in a package that lasts for years.
c) I thougght his main issue was sickle cell? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Actually one of the biggest voices behind the measure was Robert Deniro... who just happens to own a bunch of restaurants that already worked out all the transfats from their cuisine.

A good rule of thumb is to always assume that if the government is trying to save you from yourself, it's coupled with the support of someone who will profit from your stripped freedoms (someone already more powerful than you)

natedogg

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b) quit saying it's a freedom issue, the only one who benefits from transfats are big corporations who make cookies in a package that lasts for years.


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So if an entity benefits from a freedom but you don't like that entity, it's not a freedom issue? The bottom line is that the state is intervening between the consenting actions of two free-willed parties. That is a freedom issue.

natedogg

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So if an entity benefits from a freedom but you don't like that entity, it's not a freedom issue? The bottom line is that the state is intervening between the consenting actions of two free-willed parties. That is a freedom issue.

natedogg

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uh, corporations are creatures of the state. it's closer to a state beaurocracy than a person.

[censored] everybody btw.

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The problem is that the experts don't really know what they think they know

Thus, prescribing any sort of ban is pretty laughable in the first place


it's "we think we know better. We have to fix it. We're doing this for you."

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it's "we think we know better. We have to fix it. We're doing this for you."

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you're talking about making a lard substitute from vegetable oil by passing H2 thorugh it, right?