Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.

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I have to say you got me on that point, that's for sure. I have to say I did let others influence me there, as I thought she was indeed at first being sarcastic, but then I had others of my friends who have met her, say she really felt that way (about Doyle). Thus I allowed it to influence my opinion.


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I can think for myself, and I don't need a boyfriend/husband to tell me how to think, thank you very much.

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I guess this doesn't apply in determining obvious sarcasm. In that case, you need your friends to tell you how to think even when there is no ambiguity. And they somehow still landed on the wrong side. You have some pretty bright friends.

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#2> One local casino started running a "men's only" event on the same night as the "women's only" event. To hear women complain that this event "took away tables and dealers from their tournament" was hilarious.

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This is pretty funny. I always wondered what the reaction would be to a mens only tournament. I assumed it would involve bitching and complaining.

[Fletch46]

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My friend wanted to watch this event on the webcast, it WAS THE BIGGEST WAFTAM poker tournament final table I have ever been bored enough to watch, the commentary was only slightly worse then the play !

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Well, the women if you really think about it were kind of screwed either way.

They knew they were on TV and knew if they played too lose and created action, then everyone would say they played like donkey's. Yet if they played like they did, then they get critisized for not playing hardly at all.

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Are you saying they played well during the event and then badly at the final table because they were on TV? Not likely.

Of course I'm not talking about Katja and Vanessa who have both played in other events (you know, the ones where everyone can play) and been successfull. I think their only error was playing the final table the way they normally would and not recognizing that these women were going to play as few hands as possible and wait for others to bust. But it's hard for good players to sit back and do that so they kept mixing it up and unfortunately busted out.

A few years ago I took a surfing lesson and as I was walking down to the water, another woman was coming back from her lesson. I asked her if she had gotten up and she said "no, I didn't try". I remember thinking "what a wimp". She was in 5 feet of water! What was she afraid of? That's how I think about women that ONLY play in women's events and there are lots of them. What are they afraid of???? And why would they want to put limits on their tournament experience?

The argument is always that the women will start in the womens only events and then move on to others but few have done that here. There are still very few women playing in regular tournaments but the women's events sell out everytime.

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Fact: The existence of WoEs in an activity where women can compete as equals is degrating.

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Fact: They only have WoEs so that they can "have women winning bracelets" at the WSOP. In that sense, it is an insidious kind of affirmative action.


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Well, isn't this a brilliant discussion.

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It's not brilliant at all. Even most idiots know subjective opinions can't be facts.

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But fortunately, you aren't like most idiots.

[Moose]

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#2> One local casino started running a "men's only" event on the same night as the "women's only" event. To hear women complain that this event "took away tables and dealers from their tournament" was hilarious.

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This is pretty funny. I always wondered what the reaction would be to a mens only tournament. I assumed it would involve bitching and complaining.

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Normally such abject hypocrisy is maddening, but it was too extreme to be anything but funny. I mean, could they really not see it for themselves?

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I can't decide either way whether the women's event should be axed, it depends what will bring more tardnits to the table..
On one hand, by cancelling it, there is the opportunity to force these dense broads directly to the mixed events for some ez money. See FT of WSOP women's event..
On the other hand, over time we may attract a greater number of these weaker players to our tables if they prefer, at first, to play in the skill-less field that is the women's event and move up once the other women start telling them they play too loose.

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i bet you think all black people commit crime and all southerners are stupid too.

also, the final table was filled with bad play not because they are women OBVIOUSLY, but because many of them have very little experience with tournament poker (or any poker for that matter). did all of you guys become good poker players overnight?

some of the comments made in this thread are incredibly offensive.

[Moose]

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I can't decide either way whether the women's event should be axed, it depends what will bring more tardnits to the table..
On one hand, by cancelling it, there is the opportunity to force these dense broads directly to the mixed events for some ez money. See FT of WSOP women's event..
On the other hand, over time we may attract a greater number of these weaker players to our tables if they prefer, at first, to play in the skill-less field that is the women's event and move up once the other women start telling them they play too loose.

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i bet you think all black people commit crime and all southerners are stupid too.

also, the final table was filled with bad play not because they are women OBVIOUSLY, but because many of them have very little experience with tournament poker (or any poker for that matter). did all of you guys become good poker players overnight?


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No, but "none of us guys" got to have a segregated tournament that would discriminate against 90% of the best players from entering and offend another 5% on top of that, all so that depraved marketers can use us as a fresh new face to market the game with. So by the time we were in the final table at a tournament with a four-digit buy in, most of us had quite a bit of experience. You know, because we had to work our way up FAIRLY to the top.

Semi-segregation by gender will almost guarantee weak play in the "ladies only" events for these reasons. It's similar to why the typical blackjack player is such an idiot -- anyone sufficiently skilled at the game winds up being barred, so the bell curve gets squished.

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some of the comments made in this thread are incredibly offensive.

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Well, they must be true, why else would women be given their own tournament? They must need it! <-- this is exactly the conclusion that will come in people's minds until such time as segregation in poker tournaments end.

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i am not saying there should be a ladies event. that was not my point at all. i agree 100% that they should not exist.

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i am not saying there should be a ladies event. that was not my point at all. i agree 100% that they should not exist.

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And all I'm saying is that ignorant attitudes like the ones you decry will continue to exist for as long as WOEs exist, and the nature of the WOEs are such that they will continue to put negative lights on female poker players. But I'm glad to see you are among those who see the WoEs as a problem.

[suzy89222]

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i am not saying there should be a ladies event. that was not my point at all. i agree 100% that they should not exist.

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And all I'm saying is that ignorant attitudes like the ones you decry will continue to exist for as long as WOEs exist, and the nature of the WOEs are such that they will continue to put negative lights on female poker players. But I'm glad to see you are among those who see the WoEs as a problem.

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having said that, i do play in them (well only 2 so far). i guess my principles dont override my desire to play in a tournament with mostly inexperienced players.