VH1's "The Pick up Artist"

[NajdorfDefense]

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i never really care when i go out or try hard because i am lazy and because i have lucksacked my way into a few solid women in the past....

*edit* i do get pissed when i think a girl is pretty, funny, has good taste, intelligent etc etc and i think she would be at least a LITTLE interested in me but she completely isn't. that sucks

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So, if you hadn't luckboxed into a few women, you'd still be a virgin, still 'wouldn't care' when you go out and would still be lazy about trying to meet someone...okay.

And perfectly happy with that? Or might you think perhaps *you* were the problem, not the entire world of women?

Your 'I don't care' is the most obvious self-esteem defense ploy, that most men and women do.

[snagglepuss]

no. i am just stating that past success has led me to being less active in pursuing purely sex, because i do not consider it as terribly important as i surely would if i were a virgin.

and the 'i dont care' isn't being used in a self-esteem defense. it really is just my terribly apathetic outlook on things at the moment.

one thing i DO care about is finding a more significant relationship within the next 5 years of my life, not [censored] club hoes.

[The Yugoslavian]

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Neuro-Linguistic Programming isn't about 'flash.' That's insane, not even remotely close.

One of the main points of NLP is congruence, that who you are, and what you look like has to be congruent with what you say, and how you act or people don't believe you/trust you/befriend you. [NLP goes much deeper than this with many additional facets.]
If what you say is not congruent with your personality and appearance, generally people ignore or disbelieve you. Communication is 10% what you say, 30% how you say it, and 60% non-verbal cues.

Mystery's look and personality and behavior are all congruent, so it works for him. The David DeAngelo's of the world or whomever similarly.

Most guys fail because they are ignorant of the above or don't show congruence - the smart, not ugly, successful-at-work guy who doesn't understand why he can't get a girl: except he dresses poorly, has no self-confidence, can't make intelligent conversation, may be ignorant of current events, etc. No woman he randomly meets will ever believe/know he's smart and successful until he fixes those issues.

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Haha yeah I deserved this after I accidentally linked NLP to flash. You should have called me out harder for always trying to dispel myths about the PUA community and then making such a glaring error.

NLP has been one of the deepest internal tools I've learned from studying pickup theory.

What I should have said is my limited exposure to Ross Jeffries' stuff leads me to believe he actually is motivated to find some sort of "magic pill" technique that anyone can learn more or less instantly and then apply with more or less instant results. I guess this is fine but it relies heavily on deeply seeded manipulation techniques and hypnosis. Even this shouldn't be called "flashy"...it's essentially trying to boil down something like the octoberman sequence so that anyone can be a practitioner.

Yugoslav

PS I hope I'm wrong about Ross, but, whatever, everything I've read/seen of him he acts like a really immature 12 year old *shrug*.

[NajdorfDefense]

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also,

im not really hating on all of the pua stuff, especially because i am not terribly familiar with it.

if it helps guys learn to be better in social situations, then that is great. if it helps them flirt better with women, fantastic. if it helps guys who are decent close better, good for them.

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A guy who has no girl and can't get a date to save his life has 4 options:
1) Do nothing - continue to be alone.
2) Market himself [like in the job interview example] - talk about the parts of himself that are good, funny, smart, interesting etc.
3) Actually become a funny, smart, interesting, successful, etc person.
4) Lie about who he is.

PUA is obviously about 2 and 3. But people who are haters with no clue for some reason assume it's about 4, or are jealous and believe 2 and 3 are not possible. Or that wearing a nice, new pair of shoes is 'lying.'

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i don't really care about improving meeting women at clubs because a) not likely to want to date a dumb [censored]

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1) Why do you go to clubs, to look at guys?
2) All women at clubs are dumb [censored]? You have serious women issues.

It goes without saying there are very smart women in clubs, but I'll say it anyway - I've met cancer researchers, NASA astrophysicists, brain surgeons, double-engineering grad students, brilliant entrepreneurs, quants, litigators, HF derivative traders, fashion designers, musicians, all of whom were hot and at various clubs in NYC and Miami. I don't think I'm the exception, not by a long shot.

[snagglepuss]

no i enjoy going to clubs and having good times with friends. and often i am intent on picking up women. i just said i don't care so much about improving that ability that it is a focus of my life.

2) i am referring of course to 'party girl' bar [censored] whose only idea of a good time is going out, getting wasted, and then pounded every night. this is a non- negligible % of women at clubs from my experience.

and of course there are a lot of smart and cool women out at clubs. and plenty of past friends are smart/cool girls that like to go out and party and have a good time. i just do not know of many that are going home with the guy in the fuzzy pink hat.

[ThaHero]

Going to clubs isn't the only way to pick up women. There's bookstores, coffee shops, college campuses, all sorts of places. MENSA meetings I suppose if those are the types of chicks you like. I haven't delved real deeply into the whole PUA thing, but I certainly don't think it's only about going to clubs. Is that what you're saying?

It seems to me it's easiest to go to clubs to work on these skills since that's where a lot of women are, and usually they will be a bit more receptive than if they were out with their mother or something.

It seems that many of the guys that study this PUA stuff do so to get the woman they want but can't attain right now. In order to get her, of course you have to go through a lot of stupid chicks, and even a lot of smart chicks. They just chose to be active about it and not to hope she magically falls in their lap somehow.

[Assani Fisher]

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why the [censored] did he keep asking girls to buy him drinks?

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girls are not logical. u gotta pwn them.

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It steals their frame. Girls are used to schleps falling over themselves to buy them drinks so that the girl will give him 5 minutes of her time. F that! Take Charge! Don't go begging "Can I please give you free stuff?" LMAO

Never buy chicks you are not sleeping with anything (unless you would buy a male friend the same stuff in the same situation with no expectation of ever getting treated back in the future).

Never date chicks that you are not already banging.

Screw asking for phone numbers. You know what it means when you ask a chick for her phone number?
It means "I want to bang you but I haven't figured out how yet, so when I figure out how I will give you a call."

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Agree on the drinks part, disagree on the phone number part, and totally disagree on not dating unless you've already had sex because I think thats much more of a personal and moral issue(for both of you) than something that should be an absolute rule.

[Jamougha]

how hard is it to score in a club when you have a camera crew following you around?

[bkholdem]

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bk,

your comparison is pretty apropos i agree. but still not quite there, at least for me.

when i would go on interviews i would make it about 50/50 being my particular self and being in "interview mode". one benefit being *i would stand out from every other cookie-cutter job applicant they see that day*.

and in the event they would not be impressed, who cares, there would be plenty of employers, and having prior amazing 'jobs' in the past, it doesn't bother me. see any parallels here?

thankfully i have found myself in the position where i do not have to alter my personality in order to land either job or hussy.

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So the comparison is not exact, it is similar. You want to stand out from the croud and be remembered in a positive light. You want to impress the interviewer. You want to leave them wanting more of you. You want them to see you as as having high value for them.

And it the event the girl is not impressed, you move on, you do not spend any time dwelling on it. If you can learn something to improve your presentation for the next time you do so (see any parallels here? Maybe you have had amazing girls in the past and maybe you are looking to advance to a girl or a more amazing girl, etc.

Consider yourself lucky to have women chasing you and buying you thinks and treating you like a king. Congrats! Care to share your secrets to having all of these things? (or do you mean you bribe women to give you their time and attention and then you have a pleasing enough personality that some of them decide to continue to stick around as you continue to pay them to do so)?

[bkholdem]

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no. i am just stating that past success has led me to being less active in pursuing purely sex, because i do not consider it as terribly important as i surely would if i were a virgin.

and the 'i dont care' isn't being used in a self-esteem defense. it really is just my terribly apathetic outlook on things at the moment.

one thing i DO care about is finding a more significant relationship within the next 5 years of my life, not [censored] club hoes.

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This is not directed at you, but at those who are critical in general:

I find it very amusing that in a forum devoted to changing yourself and learning skills to intentionally exploit others while actively trying to look as though you are not doing so there is criticism of PUA.