PokerTracker: The Next Generation (NEW SOFTWARE DISCUSSION)

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

i dont know if there is a correlation, but since i updated pp yesterday, pokertracker has gotten insanely slower and froze on me.

[APerfect10]

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i dont know if there is a correlation, but since i updated pp yesterday, pokertracker has gotten insanely slower and froze on me.

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With all due respect. Lets keep on the topic at hand. Discussion for the next generation of PokerTracker, PT3. There is a dedicated forum to support the current version of PT.

[matt42s]

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The 3-bet stuff couldn't be done in PA Hud. The information wasn't in the database. This will change in the next version of PT.

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Yeah, PAHud could have done the 3-bet stuff. The info is there in the database if you step through the hand and recreate the potstate between player actions. You can't do it with a simple SQL command, you could probably do it with PL/pgSQL but you can do it easily with code. I've done it with about 150 lines. There are a few rare cases which are difficult to decipher but they are extremely rare - they all involve more than two players acting on a given street, more than one player raising and one of the players raising, calling and folding OR calling, raising then folding. Like I said - rare.

Just for the record, I've been a strong supporter of PT for years and donated to PAHud before it was named. The support has always been fantastic for both products but is also what has hurt the development of the products. The next generation should have started before PAhud went to sqlite.

[Dazarath]

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I dunno if it has been suggested already, but you should really include Omaha in a "default" PT version. I think paying for 2 versions of the same program is stupid and not very attractive. More and more ppl play Omaha and paying for 2 programs to track my poker hands just isn't something I am keen on doing, personally.

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I don't mind paying double for both versions of the software, as it takes extra coding, and extra support. But it would be really nice if they were combined into a single program, so that we could see our results grouped together.

[tautomer]

I'd prefer to keep them as separate programs but maybe that's just me. Nice for datamining one while playing the other.

[APerfect10]

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The 3-bet stuff couldn't be done in PA Hud. The information wasn't in the database. This will change in the next version of PT.

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Yeah, PAHud could have done the 3-bet stuff. The info is there in the database if you step through the hand and recreate the potstate between player actions. You can't do it with a simple SQL command, you could probably do it with PL/pgSQL but you can do it easily with code. I've done it with about 150 lines. There are a few rare cases which are difficult to decipher but they are extremely rare - they all involve more than two players acting on a given street, more than one player raising and one of the players raising, calling and folding OR calling, raising then folding. Like I said - rare.

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You are right. It could have been done. We (PAH) visited 3bets prior to our implementation of the cache; therefore it was unrealistic based on computational usage to include 3-betting as an available statistic. It would be much more feasible to do now that we are using a cache; however, it would still be extremely processor intensive during the cache building process and cache updates.

With our new design of the PT3 database, 3/4 bets will take no more work than any other stat therefore will be much more realistic and a definite addition.

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Just for the record, I've been a strong supporter of PT for years and donated to PAHud before it was named. The support has always been fantastic for both products but is also what has hurt the development of the products. The next generation should have started before PAhud went to sqlite.

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Ideally, maybe. Unfortunately, there is a lot more involved with PT3 then just development. There is a business side with two separate parties involved. It would be nice to make PAH's cache in Postgres; however, we will need to weigh the benefits of each. Postgres is known as feature rich database but it isnt the fastest db in the world. For a small db such as PAH's cache; SQLite may be the better choice. We've yet to test and determine. Speed is our number one goal...

Best regards,

APerfect10

[DMoogle]

I have a feature suggestion: be able to import notes on players from the poker site into the PT database. That would be very useful when reviewing hands.

[downrange]

Use the "import/export notes" somewhere on pt menubar; only works for text sites like stars and whatever ones are listed (abs is still listed but has been non-text for many many months so don't use it).

[Spechel EDD]

please dont integrate 3-betting and 4-betting into this.

[APerfect10]

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please dont integrate 3-betting and 4-betting into this.

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I'm probably being leveled but it will be in there. If you dont want it you dont have to have it. <Subtle hint>