** Official September Chat Thread: The Grey Swan **

[Mike Kelley]

Atleast they can work for a pot 2% as big. Combo Draws I mean.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($24.50)
MP2 ($13.20)
MP3 ($26.25)
CO ($15)
Button ($3.90)
Hero ($39.40)
BB ($9.75)
UTG ($13.65)
UTG+1 ($8.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.35.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, BB calls $1, UTG folds, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $19</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $22.65</font>, Hero calls $0.64.

Turn: ($44.65) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($44.65) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $44.65

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ah 3h (straight, five high).
CO has 9s 2s (two pair, nines and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $44.65. </font>

[Berge20]

I just played in a turbo Double Shootout where I folded every hand until the 100/200 level. WTF

[Cry Me A River]

Nit.

[Cry Me A River]

Oh, it was a turbo - So what was that like 4 hands?

[Berge20]

Eh, like 30. Still annoying. Realized why I hate them. The three donkeys were tearing up.

[Mike Kelley]

I hate turbos. Fold until pot odds force you to call. Great strategy.

[coordi]

[ QUOTE ]
Atleast they can work for a pot 2% as big. Combo Draws I mean.

[/ QUOTE ]

Is there a way to examine hands where you flop straight OE and inside SF draws?

[coordi]

ok....

PokerStars Game #11830100462: Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/09/02 - 13:48:59 (ET)
Table 'Astyanax' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: THEONE17708 ($17.35 in chips)
Seat 3: mces2 ($18.80 in chips)
Seat 4: spelv30 ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Pang80 ($43.90 in chips)
Seat 6: svetj ($18.15 in chips)
Seat 7: Coordi ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: archangel95 ($25.70 in chips)
Seat 9: KaRMaPoKeR1 ($81.55 in chips)
KaRMaPoKeR1: posts small blind $0.10
THEONE17708: posts big blind $0.25
kruemli: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Coordi [8s 8d]
mces2: folds
spelv30: calls $0.25
Pang80: folds
svetj: calls $0.25
Coordi: raises $1 to $1.25
archangel95: folds
KaRMaPoKeR1: calls $1.15
THEONE17708: calls $1
spelv30: calls $1
svetj: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [8c 2c 7s]
KaRMaPoKeR1: checks
THEONE17708: bets $0.25
spelv30: folds
svetj: raises $0.25 to $0.50
Coordi: raises $7 to $7.50
KaRMaPoKeR1: folds
THEONE17708: folds
svetj: calls $7
*** TURN *** [8c 2c 7s] [9d]
svetj: bets $1
Coordi: raises $15.25 to $16.25 and is all-in
svetj: calls $8.40 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [8c 2c 7s 9d] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
svetj: shows [6d 7h] (a straight, Six to Ten)
Coordi: shows [8s 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
svetj collected $38.35 from pot
KaRMaPoKeR1 said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40.30 | Rake $1.95
Board [8c 2c 7s 9d Ts]
Seat 1: THEONE17708 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: mces2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: spelv30 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Pang80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: svetj showed [6d 7h] and won ($38.35) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 7: Coordi showed [8s 8d] and lost with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 8: archangel95 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: KaRMaPoKeR1 (small blind) folded on the Flop

its going to be one of those days...

PokerStars Game #11830301320: Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/09/02 - 14:01:04 (ET)
Table 'Sinope III' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: blockee ($12.05 in chips)
Seat 2: enclyos ($11.90 in chips)
Seat 3: kuupaa ($34.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Hellow10 ($19 in chips)
Seat 5: IsuMarci ($14.75 in chips)
Seat 6: g-line ($15.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Coordi ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 8: DaMachineDAD ($20.20 in chips)
Seat 9: geringmi ($9.90 in chips)
geringmi: posts small blind $0.10
blockee: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Coordi [Ts Th]
enclyos: calls $0.25
kuupaa: folds
Hellow10: calls $0.25
IsuMarci: folds
g-line: raises $0.75 to $1
Coordi: calls $1
DaMachineDAD: folds
geringmi: folds
blockee: calls $0.75
enclyos: folds
Hellow10: folds
*** FLOP *** [3d Ks Td]
blockee: bets $1
g-line: calls $1
Coordi: raises $4 to $5
blockee: calls $4
g-line: calls $4
*** TURN *** [3d Ks Td] [Qh]
blockee: checks
g-line: checks
Coordi: bets $17.70
blockee: calls $6.05 and is all-in
g-line: calls $9.60 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [3d Ks Td Qh] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
g-line: shows [4d Ad] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Coordi: shows [Ts Th] (three of a kind, Tens)
g-line collected $6.75 from side pot
blockee: shows [Kc Qd] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
g-line collected $35 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43.85 Main pot $35. Side pot $6.75. | Rake $2.10
Board [3d Ks Td Qh Jc]
Seat 1: blockee (big blind) showed [Kc Qd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 2: enclyos folded before Flop
Seat 3: kuupaa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Hellow10 folded before Flop
Seat 5: IsuMarci folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: g-line showed [4d Ad] and won ($41.75) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: Coordi showed [Ts Th] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 8: DaMachineDAD (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: geringmi (small blind) folded before Flop

[illini43]

[ QUOTE ]
I hate turbos. Fold until pot odds force you to call. Great strategy.

[/ QUOTE ]

I love turbo tournaments. Most players do not correctly adjust their strategy - they don't push with low M's (small stacks) and do not loosen their calling ranges to call pushes when the blinds start getting up there.

A little more variance in turbo tournaments, but I think fewer players play close to correct strategy than 'normal' tournaments.

[Berge20]

I actually think you are right Illini. I just don't play them enough to make up the already high variance for tournies.