SSNL POKER [cheese] thread AUGUST

[bilbo-san]

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I'm really tempted by the "miniraise every cbet regardless of my cards" move against TAGs, but too chickenshit to give it a try.

Seems like a very cheap way to bluff and win lots of small pots when they're cbetting air, plus I will sometimes wake up with a real hand.

I may drop down to NL$50 for a session and give it a shot.

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Yeah, that will work for, like, 3 pots. Then you start getting stacks stuffed in your face.

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Like I said, I will sometimes wake up with a real hand.



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Cool, but you said ATC. If you think that the math is going to work out for you (in the sense of having a real hand when it matters), you are mistaken.

[bilbo-san]

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When do you guys donk(lead) into the preflop raiser (OOP obv)? This is something I very rarely do but probably should implement in my game.

What flop/hand combination will you donk-bluff and why?
What combination will you donk-value bet and why?

I would almost always go for a c/r bluff rather than donk bluff. The only advantage of donking IMO is depending on the best way to get stacks in; for example if you flop a draw/set on wet flop you prefer B/3b rather than c/r leaving awkward stacks on turn?

Obviously it is fairly rare that you are OOP and not the preflop aggressor. This situation would normally come up when you call a raise from the blinds.

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In CTS's blog he was talking about how people generally play the strength of their hands when you donk so they don't usually bluff raise you. I never donk that much but I should probably do it a bit more.

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Seriously? this seems odd to me, i raise over donkbets all day and thought many others here did the same. i guess maybe against tougher/more aggressive players the threat of a 3bet looms a little heavier?

donk-leading is something i've been thinking about lately though, as i also don't really do it ever and feel like i should sometimes. i guess i'll have to go check out that blog.

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I don't raise over people's donk bets because they just call me. I'll raise over a min bet though.

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I generally just call a [censored] ton when I get donked into.

This pisses people off to no end when they wanted to b/3b their draws because their equity on the turn usually plummets (and it is usually pretty easy to identify the cards where this is the case).

It also pisses off the guys that were planning to donk/call with their TPGK, because they have NO CLUE how to play the turn if I just call, especially if the flop was drawy.

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Cool, but you said ATC. If you think that the math is going to work out for you (in the sense of having a real hand when it matters), you are mistaken.

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I disagree. But I don't want to explain cuz it's too close to my secrets.

[pdoran10]

I don't see much of a point to achieving a balanced, profitable flop minraising range when one can achieve greater profit potential by making larger raises and balancing them to create larger gains if they read opponents and situations well.

[Mossberg]

hmmmm looks like I'm well on my way to crush my previous record month for my 4th month in a row! (plz no doomswitch)

(60% 200NL / 40% 400NL)

[Nielsio]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $448.85
BB: $224.00
UTG: $593.00
Hero (MP): $354.00
CO: $393.00
BTN: $1,088.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $12.00, BB folds

Flop: ($32) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $24.00</font>, SB calls $24.00

Turn: ($80) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $42.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $110.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $316.00</font>, SB folds
Uncalled bet of $206.00 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $300.00 ($3 Rake)

[Nielsio]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $469.00
BB: $94.00
UTG: $484.20
Hero (MP): $386.00
CO: $400.00
BTN: $464.30

CO posts $4.00
Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18.00</font>, CO calls $14.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($42) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $32.00</font>, CO calls $32.00

Turn: ($106) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $70.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $350.00</font>, Hero calls all-in for $266.00
Uncalled bet of $14.00 returned to CO

River: ($778) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $778.00 ($3 Rake)

CO had Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a flush, Queen high) and WON (+$389.00)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Sixes) and LOST (-$386.00)

[Nielsio]

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[Shizzle12345]

why not push turn nielsio? seems pretty fish that isabelle.

[BigPoppa]

I'm not sure I'm cut out for Donkaments. The variance just eats at me. Guess it's back to the grind.