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#1581
10-12-2007, 11:48 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
Line check - villain is 34/21 and floats quite a bit. This is the first time I double barreled at this table. Is this a good spot for it?
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (MP): $53 CO: $14 BTN: $70.80 SB: $55.30 BB: $50.35 UTG: $29.80 Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T  dealt to Hero (MP)UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $1.25 Flop: ($3.75) A 4 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3 Turn: ($9.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, BB calls $8 River: ($25.75) J  (2 Players)BB checks, Hero checks 
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#1583
10-13-2007, 12:09 AM
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$25NL 3 hands vs my Nemesis at table (44, AK, KK)
Villain was my nemesis at this table. He limped a lot of crap, anything suited, and when he hit 2 pr he c/c until river. He would also c/c w/ tpwk, mp, bp, so basically I never new where I stood with him. Also, PAHUD was not working so I had no stats, although I am still learning how to use it so it really wouldn't matter.
Here are 3 hands vs him. How's my line? Hand 1 - this was like the only hand he played aggressively from pf on... I new this but hated him... PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) MP2 ($59.35) CO ($17.75) Button ($22.80) SB ($24.50) BB ($22.90) UTG ($11.15) Hero ($77.05) MP1 ($25.35) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.75. Flop: ($3.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4. Turn: ($11.85) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4. River: ($19.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, MP2 checks. Final Pot: $19.85 --------------------------------------------------------- Hand 2 - villain in question folded on turn. Did I play too strong? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) MP2 ($9.65) CO ($60.75) Button ($24.40) SB ($24.50) BB ($14.80) UTG ($13.15) Hero ($66.95) MP1 ($31.75) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $1.25, Button calls $1.25, SB calls $1.15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $1. Flop: ($6.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, CO calls $5, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $11.9</font>, Hero calls $6.90, CO calls $6.90. Turn: ($42.20) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $53.8 (All-In)</font>, CO folds. River: ($42.20) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $40.15 I believe... converter messed up ------------------------------------------------------------ Hand 3 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG ($9.65) UTG+1 ($45.85) MP1 ($28.10) MP2 ($25) CO ($22.75) Button ($14.45) Hero ($93.45) BB ($31.25) Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $1.25, Button calls $1.25. Flop: ($4.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, Button folds. Turn: ($12.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, UTG+1 calls $10. River: ($32.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30.5</font>, UTG+1 calls $30.35 (All-In). Final Pot: $93.46
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#1584
10-13-2007, 12:12 AM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
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I think it's fine if you are betting for value/protection. If it is as a bluff, then no. [/ QUOTE ] I have no idea if he has an A, a legitimate draw, or crap when I fire the second shot. I just figured this was the guy to try it against.
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#1585
10-13-2007, 12:55 AM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
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Line check - villain is 34/21 and floats quite a bit. This is the first time I double barreled at this table. Is this a good spot for it? Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (MP): $53 CO: $14 BTN: $70.80 SB: $55.30 BB: $50.35 UTG: $29.80 Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T dealt to Hero (MP)UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $1.25 Flop: ($3.75) A 4 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3 Turn: ($9.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, BB calls $8 River: ($25.75) J (2 Players)BB checks, Hero checks [/ QUOTE ] I don't think people float on Ace high flops very often. That said, once the Ace hits the turn it's a bit harder to credit him with an ace. If you're ahead here on the turn he has 15 outs max - I guess prolly less than that in reality. If you're already behind you have 2 outs. I think I would check behind and see what happens on the river.
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#1586
10-13-2007, 01:12 AM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
CO ($23.70) Button ($47.50) SB ($32.05) BB ($24.85) UTG ($52.45) jb ($27.35) Preflop: jb is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, jb calls $1, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>. Flop: ($2.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">jb raises to $5</font>, UTG calls $3.50. Turn: ($12.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, jb checks. River: ($12.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks,jb bets $6 ok to bet or check it down? Forgot: villain stats are 30/20/0 but only 10 hands and I didn't see him show anything down yet so basically he's unknown.
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#1587
10-13-2007, 01:24 AM
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Re: $25NL 3 hands vs my Nemesis at table (44, AK, KK)
Dr J
- The 44 hand I would just fold on the flop - The AK I would probably 3-bet on the flop but it depends what your read is on the CO - The KK you played it same way I would until the river. I'm not sure what the correct play is on the river against that guy, your play might have been fine
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#1588
10-13-2007, 01:42 AM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
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I don't think people float on Ace high flops very often. [/ QUOTE ] They definitely do. Had a guy with similar pf stats call flop and turn with J8 on A678 board. And I'm always surprised how often various pps stick around. Floats with KQ happen less, but small pairs and gutshots and stuff call more IME. [ QUOTE ] If you're ahead here on the turn he has 15 outs max - I guess prolly less than that in reality. If you're already behind you have 2 outs. I think I would check behind and see what happens on the river. [/ QUOTE ] And if he is behind with outs we want to charge him to hit them. So a bet here gets value from a slew of draws, and also protects against the odd floats with KQ/QJ Plus checking behind makes the hand very tough to play against aggro opponents because they almost always bet the river. I think it's much easier to bet the turn and charge the draws rather than hope he bluffs the river with a missed draw or worse.
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#1589
10-13-2007, 01:57 AM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com CO ($23.70) Button ($47.50) SB ($32.05) BB ($24.85) UTG ($52.45) jb ($27.35) Preflop: jb is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, jb calls $1, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>. Flop: ($2.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">jb raises to $5</font>, UTG calls $3.50. Turn: ($12.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, jb checks. River: ($12.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks,jb bets $6 ok to bet or check it down? Forgot: villain stats are 30/20/0 but only 10 hands and I didn't see him show anything down yet so basically he's unknown. [/ QUOTE ] I like the raise on the flop. Although I think they probably fold a lot, raising here is the best way to get the most in against a smaller pp. I continue on the turn for the same reason I would not double barrel this turn. It's a brick for your opponents hand, which IMO is usually a smaller pp. So, after checking behind on the turn, you definitely bet the river.
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#1590
10-13-2007, 07:55 AM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
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You have JJ and position. I think a raise pf is required! If you raised there I think that would change villain's c/c range post flop. I don't know if I'm right, but I would bet turn and river too.
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