SSNL POKER [cheese] thread AUGUST - Page 157

Lordy · #**1561** 08-10-2007, 04:24 PM

[x] Villain made a sick read.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $88.35
BB: $40.00
Hero (UTG): $102.59
MP: $76.99
CO: $98.03
BTN: $97.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
Hero raises to $4.00, MP folds, CO raises to $12.00, 3 folds, Hero calls $8.00

Flop: ($25.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $20.00, Hero raises all-in to $90.59, CO calls all-in for $66.03
Uncalled bet of $4.56 returned to Hero

Turn: ($197.56) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($197.56) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $197.56 ($3 Rake)

CO had 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Sixes) and LOST (-$98.03)
Hero had Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and WON (+$96.53)

Don Key E37 · #**1562** 08-10-2007, 04:31 PM

SWEET!!! I finally hit a river in a big pot. As an aside how bad did I play this? Shoving over his raise pretty much shows my hand face up reraise to what? I just went big and said I'm getting it in on any turn but if I had made it 85 or something then what? c/f. shoving seems bad not sure what to do. Sweet river though.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $277.90
UTG+1: $159
CO: $262.65
Button: $45.75
Hero: $242.50
BB: $352.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, Hero raises to $7, BB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($14, 2 players)
Hero bets $11, BB raises to $32, Hero raises to $144, BB raises all-in $345.7, Hero calls all-in $102.5.
Uncalled bets: $99.2 returned to BB.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($507, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $507)

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($507, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $507)

Results:
Final pot: $507
Hero showed Th 9h
BB showed 3d 3h

Dire · #**1563** 08-10-2007, 04:38 PM

Worse thing about that hand is the massive flop 3-bet. Just make it around $100 to go. You're not getting much more FE for $144. You have a monster and would like action, and if he just calls then you have a sweet spot on the turn. I mean you're doing fine even against sets here - but you'd like to get more than just sets to play with you.

cbloom · #**1564** 08-10-2007, 04:46 PM

No Limit Hold'em Ring Game (6 max) , 6 players
Blinds : $1/$2

Stacks:
UTG : $317.20 (Hero)
MP : $73.75
CO : $200.80
BTN : $234.40
SB : $190.30
BB : $115.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, BTN calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($25, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $19, BTN calls, BB calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($82, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $62, BTN raises to $140, BB folds, Hero raises to $290.20 (all-in), BTN calls all-in ($67.40).

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($496.80, 2 players)
Results: (final pot $496.80)
Hero shows T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Two Pair)
BTN wins $493.80 (+$259.40) with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Trips)

Blech this kind of hand pisses me off so much. I KNOW villain has a set and I still pay him off. He's a super passive nit he has a set here like 99% of the time it should be an easy fold but NO I have top two that's too good to fold. Stupid.

tannenj · #**1565** 08-10-2007, 04:48 PM

but you're drawing

Imrahil · #**1566** 08-10-2007, 04:57 PM

[ QUOTE ]
When do you guys donk(lead) into the preflop raiser (OOP obv)? This is something I very rarely do but probably should implement in my game.

What flop/hand combination will you donk-bluff and why?
What combination will you donk-value bet and why?

I would almost always go for a c/r bluff rather than donk bluff. The only advantage of donking IMO is depending on the best way to get stacks in; for example if you flop a draw/set on wet flop you prefer B/3b rather than c/r leaving awkward stacks on turn?

Obviously it is fairly rare that you are OOP and not the preflop aggressor. This situation would normally come up when you call a raise from the blinds.

[/ QUOTE ]

In CTS's blog he was talking about how people generally play the strength of their hands when you donk so they don't usually bluff raise you. I never donk that much but I should probably do it a bit more.

cbloom · #**1567** 08-10-2007, 05:14 PM

Nothing like a 35% W$SD% to ruin your day.

Are either ones of these folds?
In both cases villain (two different villains) just bought in and this is the very 1st hand they're playing, obv they bought in short so I assume they're bad.

No Limit Hold'em Ring Game (6 max) , 5 players
Blinds : $1/$2

Stacks:
UTG : $189.95
CO : $312.80 (Hero)
BTN : $101.70
SB : $365.85
BB : $80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, BTN calls, SB calls, BB raises to $20, Hero calls ($13), BTN calls ($13), SB calls ($13).

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($80, 4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $60 (all-in), Hero raises to $260, BTN folds, SB folds.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($200, 2 players)
River: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($200, 2 players)
Results: (final pot $200)
Hero mucks K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (One Pair)
BB wins $197 (+$117) with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (One Pair)

No Limit Hold'em Ring Game (6 max) , 6 players
Blinds : $1/$2

Stacks:
UTG : $202.80
MP : $242.70
CO : $94.65
BTN : $33.20
SB : $198 (Hero)
BB : $80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, Hero raises to $8, BB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($16, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, BB raises to $52, Hero raises to $92, BB calls all-in ($20).

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($160, 2 players)
River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($160, 2 players)
Results: (final pot $160)
Hero shows 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (One Pair)
BB wins $157 (+$77) with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (One Pair)

Rainclouds · #**1568** 08-10-2007, 05:17 PM

Both are very standard folds for me (hand 1 I fold preflop).

When players are bad it doesn't mean they don't have anything.

BigPoppa · #**1569** 08-10-2007, 05:25 PM

I'm really tempted by the "miniraise every cbet regardless of my cards" move against TAGs, but too chickenshit to give it a try.

Seems like a very cheap way to bluff and win lots of small pots when they're cbetting air, plus I will sometimes wake up with a real hand.

I may drop down to NL$50 for a session and give it a shot.

FilthyLarry · #**1570** 08-10-2007, 06:08 PM

ill sell his screenname for $5

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG ($193.20)
MP ($98.50)
CO ($120.90)
Button ($99)
Hero ($105.45)
BB ($28.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, MP folds, Button calls $14.

Flop: ($41) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button raises to $81, Hero calls $51.

Turn: ($203) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($203) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $203

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Kc (one pair, tens).
Button has 2d 7d (two pair, tens and twos).
Outcome: Button wins $203.

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