STTF SNG->cash thread

[blackize]

Villain posted. Cbetting gives me odds to call a shove. So what is it, cbet, c/f, c/c, or c/rai?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $20
CO: $50
BTN: $45.30
SB: $71.70
BB: $20.10
Hero (UTG): $50.25

MP posts $0.25
MP posts $0.50
Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.75</font>, MP calls $2.25, 4 folds

Flop: ($6.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ?

[Josem]

blackize,

while i would normally cbet there, i am a big fan of including checkraises there with AK from time to time.

if i had 99+, i'd be much more inclined to lead out, knowing i have a good chance of being called by 55+, and random other crap.

1) villain probably missed that flop; unlikely to have more than a pair here (as opposed to a T98 board, where he could have a pair + straight draw, or two pair, etc.)
2) if you get it all-in, you have good equity

a check raise with AK is much better than a check rraise with 66, 'cause when tthe check raise is called, you have more equity/outs with AK than you do with 66

[jgunnip]

I'd make the 3bet amount in teh TT hand a little larger, like 6.25ish since, since you're oop. Sometimes I'll just call the original raise preflop too. Flop bet is a little small. Turn, I don't know, I tend to not make plays at people just based on stats if I haven't seen them play many showdowns. I agree with you on the river though I don't think he's bluffing there.


In the AK hand I just make it pot and $2.25 pf. My standard is to cbet and I'd probably call a shove some of the time. If you cbet $4.75 and villan pushes there's 15.75 in the pot and 12.5 more to call so you'd need to be 44% against his range. He'd need to be pushing with some of his high overcards for it then to be a call which I think is reasonable. Maybe that's a little too loose to be playing tho.

[microbet]

blackize - TT hand,

You gotta really know your 65/25s. Against a lot of them 3 betting and hoping to get it all in preflop is very good there. Against some of them check/shoving the flop will be good. Kinda crazy, but on that flop nutty dudes will look you up with either lower pockets or make a big dumb call with a draw.

2.7 isn't very passive and I'm not super happy to see the Qd on the turn after he flat calls the flop.

Turn is not easy. If he's betting the turn with a worse hand he's bluffing and I don't see why the river is a bad card for him to bluff again or why he couldn't bluff again on any river. If he has a worse hand than you he's not going to have much showdown value on the river and that makes a bluff attractive.

Still, he did raise preflop and his PFR number isn't insane and then float the flop and then an over and the FD hit. Hard to fold to the 1/2 pot bet though.

I think you played it well. These 65/25 kind of guys make people over-react pretty often. It would have been nice to get it in preflop or on the flop, but I think after that you aren't getting it in good enough.

[blackize]

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In the AK hand I just make it pot and $2.25 pf. My standard is to cbet and I'd probably call a shove some of the time. If you cbet $4.75 and villan pushes there's 15.75 in the pot and 12.5 more to call so you'd need to be 44% against his range.

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You calculated the pot size wrong. It's 2.75 + 2.75 + .5 + .25 + 4.75 + 17.25 = 28.25 and I have to call 12.50 more. Getting 2.26:1 I only need like 31% equity.

When I first posted I didn't do the math exactly and thought I was getting 2.4:1. As is I could b/f unless he's getting really crazy with some overs.

[blackize]

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If he's betting the turn with a worse hand he's bluffing and I don't see why the river is a bad card for him to bluff again or why he couldn't bluff again on any river. If he has a worse hand than you he's not going to have much showdown value on the river and that makes a bluff attractive.

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I'm probably giving these guys too much credit and they really can't recognize how hard my range hits this board.

[censored] showed his bluff with T6o

[ChrisV]

blackize,

re the AK hand, I always checkraise there. The EV of bet/fold and CRAI are very similar if you get called, but the extra money you get in the pot when they're bluffing more than compensates for the free card you might give. Also you get the odd guy who convinces himself that his K3 suited can't possibly be any good versus a checkraise line.

[Jbrochu]

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blackize,

re the AK hand, I always checkraise there. The EV of bet/fold and CRAI are very similar if you get called, but the extra money you get in the pot when they're bluffing more than compensates for the free card you might give. Also you get the odd guy who convinces himself that his K3 suited can't possibly be any good versus a checkraise line.

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Do you still c/r here if villain has $50 behind instead of $18 (obviously not crai)?

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

Preflop I think this was fine to raise. On the flop I figured I was 3:1 to call, and if one or more of the others called then odds would be correct to call, but then one guy raised and now I'm getting around 6:1 to call. So this hand just seemed to get out of control and commit me at every turn. Did I play it terribly? One guy called me a flush chaser, I thought I played it right, and of course I kept my mouth shut. Please comments on all streets.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($4.25)
MP1 ($14.50)
Hero ($39.60)
MP3 ($24.15)
CO ($15)
Button ($63.05)
SB ($27.55)
BB ($18.50)
UTG ($12.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) calls $1.50, Button calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1.50, UTG folds.

Flop: ($7.35) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $2</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $6.25</font>, Hero calls $6.25, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $13.25</font>, Button folds, BB calls $7, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($49.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.75</font>, BB calls $3.50 (All-In).

River: ($56.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $56.35

[cakewalk]

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blackize my first inkling was to check shove the turn vs this guy. i dont see him floating the flop with much that the turn helps. i'd also bet more on the flop, probably like 9.

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if it wasn't the Qd i like what i said otherwise idk and im too sleepy