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05-05-2007, 03:53 PM
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Re: Republican debate thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think you are 100% wrong in your belief that the terrorits problem is with the government and not the people of the US. Their problem is with our ideals, our freedom and our status as infidels. They have said that very plainly, and I see no reason not to believe them. [/ QUOTE ] Shortly after 9/11 I watched an interview with an American reporter who had recently interviewed Bin Laden (before the attacks). He said that Bin Laden appeared very smart and articulate, and wanted three things: 1. U.S. to stop supporting Israel. 2. U.S. to end the embargo on Iraq at the time, as innocent children/people were dying from lack of food. I forget what the third was, maybe for us to get out of the Middle-East in general with our oil interests and such? In any event, all 3 of these points are perfectly reasonable. Yes, Israel might be eradicated after we stop giving them tanks, but that's not really our problem. They also might have to try to make nice. If U.S. citizens want to support Israel's military with private donations they can feel free. Anyway, for a while after 9/11 there were a bunch of Americans (college students) who did think it was largely our fault, and I agreed. In the last couple of years though, all public opinion has shifted to the belief that the terrorists just want us eradicated because we're not hardcore Muslims. I don't know what the real story is, but I do recall reading some messages from terrorists in the last year or two that blamed the U.S. citizens for voting the wrong people into office - and again, that's a reasonable position. [/ QUOTE ] This has got to be one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard. What do you propose?...letting the terrorists elect leaders for the US? Its a real shocker that terrorists don't like who we elected....99+% of them are infidels. We could appease them and give in to all thier demands, and then they would come up with a new list of more drastic demands....all culminating to the demand of mass conversion to Islam. [/ QUOTE ] It's reasonable to say that we've elected bad people lately. Most of the world would agree. It isn't reasonable to be a terrorist. 
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#143
05-06-2007, 04:42 PM
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[ QUOTE ] It isn't reasonable to be a terrorist. [/ QUOTE ] Serious question: In your view, was it reasonable for the Allies to bomb Dresden or Tokyo? [/ QUOTE ] Wasn't really familiar with the history of those until I looked it up just now. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were definitely wrong, Dresden and Tokyo too from what little I've read.
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#144
05-06-2007, 04:47 PM
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Re: Republican debate thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It isn't reasonable to be a terrorist. [/ QUOTE ] Serious question: In your view, was it reasonable for the Allies to bomb Dresden or Tokyo? [/ QUOTE ] Wasn't really familiar with the history of those until I looked it up just now. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were definitely wrong, Dresden and Tokyo too from what little I've read. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for your honest reply.
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#145
05-06-2007, 04:55 PM
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Re: Republican debate thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It isn't reasonable to be a terrorist. [/ QUOTE ] Serious question: In your view, was it reasonable for the Allies to bomb Dresden or Tokyo? [/ QUOTE ] Wasn't really familiar with the history of those until I looked it up just now. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were definitely wrong, Dresden and Tokyo too from what little I've read. [/ QUOTE ] Its what is referred to as "Total War" as in Enemy = kill all of them till they quit forever. This is quite a bit different from the current fantasy of "Limited Engagements" & "Police Actions" This is the fundamental disconnect in the American perception of war and it is fueled by our good buddies in the government. To attempt anything other than all out total war will NEVER work. Right or wrong ethical or not this is the truth of war. Until we wake up and realize this as a country we will continue the farce of Vietnam, Somalia,Bosnia, And Iraq parts one and two.
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#146
05-06-2007, 05:21 PM
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Re: Republican debate thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It isn't reasonable to be a terrorist. [/ QUOTE ] Serious question: In your view, was it reasonable for the Allies to bomb Dresden or Tokyo? [/ QUOTE ] Wasn't really familiar with the history of those until I looked it up just now. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were definitely wrong, Dresden and Tokyo too from what little I've read. [/ QUOTE ] So it's definitely wrong to kill some people in order to prevent 10 times as many from dying?
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#147
05-09-2007, 06:56 AM
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Re: Republican debate thread
^Agreed.
Anyone hear the report about Guiliani donating money to Planned Parenthood, or planned parenting, something like that? He gave 900 bucks in..1999 I believe, with his wife. Something that is ridiculous: All of his opponents will blow this way out of proportion and use it against him, when in fact, only 3% of their "patients" or "clients" get abortions, its more of a "here's what to do with your baby" company. How many people will bother to read that far in the article though? Ugh. Reminds me during the democrat debate, the moderator asked Obama a question about something he said, taking the qoute 100% out of context, changing the meaning to be the opposite basically of what Obama feels. Can't wait for all this crap again. Like in 2004 when Kerry was labeled a flip flopper, when everything he said was consistant, and either taken out of context or not fully explained.
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#148
05-09-2007, 07:54 AM
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Re: Republican debate thread
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[ QUOTE ] Did a bunch of guys just raise their hand to say they dont believe in evolution? [/ QUOTE ] "The penalty for not participating in government is to be governed by your inferiors." --Plato [/ QUOTE ] Now this is pretty interesting. Maybe I misunderstood the previous posts by you but you struck me as Libertarian to AC. Why on earth would you quote Plato, completely out of context as well as Plato was clearly not a supporter of free societies. Hint: Human society degenerates (from an ideal Sparta like society) through the 4 stages timocracy (few noblemen), oligarchy, democracy, tyrany. In that order. Hint2: Plato was one of the biggest supporters of collectivism and historycism that ever existed.
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