25k at the 60s in 1 month challenge (Oct props)

[The4thFilm]

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of course 45 man sngs are not included in this prop, thatd change the entire dynamic of the bet.

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[BradleyT]

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of course 45 man sngs are not included in this prop, thatd change the entire dynamic of the bet.

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Cuz that's not how we roll in STTF.

[mjnumb23]

in regard to the much ballyhoed hand, the hand that i described happened exactly as i wrote. so tim, i did not see the hand that you posted. in my hand, gravy made a straight and in yours he made a boat. my apologies, so i guess when you're playing every sng available on the internet, you are bound to run 8's up against 9's from time to time.

[AMT]

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of course 45 man sngs are not included in this prop, thatd change the entire dynamic of the bet.

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because 5 table SNGs play differently than 1 table SNGs...45 people in a tournament create different tournament situations than 9 man tournaments. I would hope that this concept would be intuitive to most everyone thats ever put time into tournament poker.

[blackize]

Not to mention that STT stands for single table tournaments. If he was going to make a prop bet involving mtts he'd post it in MTTF not STTF

[TimWakefield]

I think of them in the same vein because they do play fairly similarly...until you get to 200/400 and still have a full table.

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[DevinLake]

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I think of them in the same vein because they do play fairly similarly...until you get to 200/400 and still have a full table.

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do they also have a very flat payout structure? Is it easy to steal ur way into the money?

[The4thFilm]

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of course 45 man sngs are not included in this prop, thatd change the entire dynamic of the bet.

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because 5 table SNGs play differently than 1 table SNGs...45 people in a tournament create different tournament situations than 9 man tournaments. I would hope that this concept would be intuitive to most everyone thats ever put time into tournament poker.

[/ QUOTE ]It's not 'intuitive' because there is no inherent advantage in playing 45 person SNGs over of 9.

Is it really that egregious to interpret "25k at the 60s in 1 month challenge" as being able to play any $60 SNG tournament structure you want?

[blackize]

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Is it really that egregious to interpret "25k at the 60s in 1 month challenge" as being able to play any $60 SNG tournament structure you want?

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Well when it is posted on the Single Table Tournaments forum, yeah I think so.

[spacegravy]

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PokerStars Game #12732731397: Tournament #64616725, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/10/20 - 01:33:13 (ET)
Table '64616725 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: idm3mdi (1415 in chips)
Seat 3: scorpian5000 (1425 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: Vinytuc (1840 in chips)
Seat 5: 69HAMMSTER69 (3345 in chips)
Seat 6: Romes23 (965 in chips)
Seat 7: TimWakefield (1395 in chips)
Seat 8: sauvaojf (1570 in chips)
Seat 9: spacegravy (1545 in chips)
idm3mdi: posts small blind 50
scorpian5000: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TimWakefield [9s 9h]
Vinytuc: folds
69HAMMSTER69: folds
Romes23: folds
TimWakefield: raises 200 to 300
sauvaojf: folds
spacegravy: raises 1245 to 1545 and is all-in
idm3mdi: folds
scorpian5000: folds
TimWakefield: calls 1095 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [4h 4s 6c]
*** TURN *** [4h 4s 6c] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [4h 4s 6c 7c] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TimWakefield: shows [9s 9h] (two pair, Nines and Fours)
spacegravy: shows [8d 8s] (a full house, Eights full of Fours)
scorpian5000 has returned
spacegravy collected 2940 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2940 | Rake 0
Board [4h 4s 6c 7c 8c]
Seat 1: idm3mdi (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: scorpian5000 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Vinytuc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 69HAMMSTER69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Romes23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: TimWakefield showed [9s 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fours
Seat 8: sauvaojf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: spacegravy (button) showed [8d 8s] and won (2940) with a full house, Eights full of Fours







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Someone should run this hand in SNGWiz. If you think gravy's range is TT+,AK - I think 99 is a fold even with dead money. Also why I like to either make it 250 or open-shove a hand like that UTG at that level.

Either of you just search your HHs for "Dealt to (me) [8c, 8" - you only have to search 4 times (one for each suit on the first 8 or 9). Tim what time was it roughly?

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Eh, Gravy's range isn't that tight. I think he's more likely TT+, AQ+, and maybe much wider (I haven't played with him much). I think it's a call with the dead money, and anyways sometimes he has 88 [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

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but as mj just said i think he got the situation completely wrong.

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So I did clearly get the situation wrong - I wasn't UTG and I think it makes both of our plays more reasonable. I was certainly closer than mj though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].


Edit: Meh, disregard my comment about the call^^. If I had been UTG it does look like an obvious fold now that I think about it.

Also, are you only allowed to play single-table for your bet? The $60 45-man are very fishy, and while they do take longer to finish, if you can fit some in you might as well because they are +++++++EV.

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Well if you look, the bb is sitting out so it's a pretty easy shove.

Also, fpps and 18/45 mans are not included.