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#142
11-14-2007, 05:05 PM
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Re: M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread
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Questions for the teacher: If we're constantly limp/pushing with our 20bb stack, isn't the LAG going to pick up on this and not raise when we enter the pot? [/ QUOTE ] yes---use the limp-resteal in great situation and sparingly...that's why it wasn't a stand alone lesson, but more of an addendum [ QUOTE ] Are we ever limp/folding? If so, what kind of situations are we doing it in and with what hands? [/ QUOTE ] yep...limp -folding sucks which is why one shouldn't use the limp reraise too often. You have to play with a table of real morons to get away with it alot. However, against 12-tabling HUDbot SLAGs, you get away with it much more often than you think. Ummmm....you definitely want to fold if you see someone with a tighter range get involved and whatnot. [ QUOTE ] On a personal note, why did you stop shortstacking? [/ QUOTE ] I still shortstack sometimes. [ QUOTE ] EDIT: One more. Do you reload back to 20bb if you fall below? If not, why not? [/ QUOTE ] nope...hardly ever reload more advantages come my way playing with an even smaller stack plus, less button clicks and can double up twice before finding a new table and whatnot 
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#143
11-14-2007, 05:13 PM
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Re: M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread
In regards to keeping a stack at 20BB and 100NL:
A $40 pot gives you a fequent player point. Supernovas get 3.5, giving you an additional value of 5.25c/hand. Not to mention the additional value of reaching the milestone bonuses and whatnot. What is a good ATS range for a good shortstacker? What is a good ptbb/100 for a good shortstacker?
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#144
11-14-2007, 05:14 PM
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Re: M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread
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[ QUOTE ] I hope this thread gets locked soon. [/ QUOTE ] Why? [/ QUOTE ] It's getting too long and repetitive and there will be no end result or conclusion. (and I can't help myself and stop reading it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])
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#145
11-14-2007, 05:17 PM
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Re: M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread
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In regards to keeping a stack at 20BB and 100NL: A $40 pot gives you a fequent player point. Supernovas get 3.5, giving you an additional value of 5.25c/hand. Not to mention the additional value of reaching the milestone bonuses and whatnot. What is a good ATS range for a good shortstacker? What is a good ptbb/100 for a good shortstacker? [/ QUOTE ] ironically, shorstacking seems to work better at higher levels mainly due to the restealing effect verse more aggressive opponents as far as ATSB range, that ties into a future upcoming lesson as far as winrate, rumor has it that Kurosh was running at over 4ptbb/100 in pokerev adjusted winnings at 1000NL 6max on FTP most the datamines I've seen have the best shorties running in the 2.5 to 3 range
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#146
11-14-2007, 05:19 PM
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Re: M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread
oh yeah, keep in mind that ATSB range will always vary greatly with the characteristics of the blinds when doing exploitive play
some guys that defend less than 10% and don't adjust are crying out for you to steal with any two cards
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#148
11-14-2007, 05:29 PM
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Re: M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread
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Teacher: In the future, as more and more players are shortstacking, do you think sites will be forced to raise the minimum buy-in? [/ QUOTE ] one could only hope, yet I've seen nothing from the sites thus far to suggest they'll do that
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#149
11-14-2007, 05:35 PM
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Re: M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread
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SS don't have a lot of room for error in their play--if they deviate much at all from the strict math, the pendulum swings back. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly why I LOL so much about the fear of short stackers. Just like how most poker players are bad players, most people playing the short stack are bad short stackers.
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#150
11-14-2007, 05:52 PM
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Re: M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread
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[ QUOTE ] Teacher: In the future, as more and more players are shortstacking, do you think sites will be forced to raise the minimum buy-in? [/ QUOTE ] one could only hope, yet I've seen nothing from the sites thus far to suggest they'll do that [/ QUOTE ] Didn't I hear that Negreanu was going to try to have the minimum buy-in at Stars raised? Most people seemed to think that that would be worse for the game than the short stacking it would prevent, since most of the scared money/bad shorties would go broke more quickly. Meh. The good LAGs beat the TAGs. The good shorties beat the LAGs. Everybody nits up. Rock, Paper, Scissors. Eventually NL cash dies off and we all follow the fish to Omaha lowball or whatever.
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