SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV 2007 (nc)

[DLG]

Whee! MT ratio?

[spivey]

Any time you make over 2k in winnings, I don't think you can complain.

[tannenj]

to be clear, i'm not complaining. if i run hot, though, that 2.5k is 5k.

all 8tabling (mtr = 7.54, total hours played = 11.95).

[Fabian]

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I really thought it was great reasoning. I'm not sure if the call itself is profitable at NL200 or below (I can't remember the exact bet on the river you had to call, I'm going to look at it again later). I just think at the lower stakes, so many bad players play mid pps like that. They see overcards on the flop but think, maybe he's just C-betting, pick up a draw on the turn, and then decide to turn their hand into a bluff the river.

Still, very nice hand...it shows the type of reasoning we all need to develop to move up in stakes.

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I think you're confused here, maybe you're not remembering the hand correctly? If he's betting pocket sevens with a diamond (7 high flush), it certainly isn't as a bluff, it's for value. And I feel pretty confident when I say that this guy doesn't value bet hands like that. There is no chance he's trying to "bluff" with something like that because he knows I'm folding an 8 high flush exactly never.

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I'm definitely going to review it...perhaps I am a little confused.

The point I meant to make, however, was that a lot of villians at NL100/NL200 have no clue WHY they're betting the river...be it for value or for bluff. Villians in lower stakes would make that river bet with the 2 of diamonds.

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Ok we're on the same page then. I don't share your read on this villain though, even if we were playing lower stakes.

[Shizzle12345]

fabian can you answer my question on CR page under your vid?

And i disagree, he had a good read on that guy, I know alot of guys at 1/2 and even 5/1 are bluffing that river. but you gotta have the bluffhappy guy, and not the Fgators type.

[Sh@i'tan]

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I just moved up to chase my losses and stacked someone within 10 hands.

So I feel better now [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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you should feel completely disgusted in yourself and if you make a habit of doing this its going to lead to bad things.

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why? I doubt his EV a level or two up is that much lower.

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most of the time when you're chasing losses you are on tilt and when on tilt you do things that you can't fathom that you would ever do.

what happens if he gets stacked in the 1st ten hands? he might say he'd stop playing after losing just one stack but can we take his word for it? no and we shouldn't. its a bad thing to do and a br bustoing thing to make a habit of

[bubaloo]

after the hu madness last night, ive had a very sobering 6max session today (that kk misclick-fold didnt even tilt me), didnt make any stupid river payoffs and got my stats down to a nitty 25/17 (lol). but hey +4 buyins is nice after losing 9. anyways here is my most rewarding hand of the day....

villain:<font color="blue">on another table about 10 mins earlier, he 3bet me when i had QQ then bet about 1/6th pot on 7 high flop, called a raise and turned a set of 8s. he then immedietly left and sat next to me on another table....</font>

Pacific Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.5
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.47
CO: $19.76
Button: $56.09
Bubaloo: $52.33
BB: $19.9

Pre-flop: (5 players) Bubaloo is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls, Bubaloo calls, BB checks.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($2, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Bubaloo bets $1.5</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Bubaloo raises to $12</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Bubaloo raises all-in $39.83</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($101.66, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $101.66)


River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($101.66, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $101.66)


Results:
Final pot: $101.66
<font color="#000000">Bubaloo shows J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] </font>
<font color="#000000">Button mucks T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] </font>

chat:
hero: pwned

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Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $415.20
MP: $197
CO: $321.90
Hero (BTN): $410.75
SB: $559.50
BB: $429.80

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $15</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $60</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $105</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $403.75 and is All-In</font>, BB calls $298.75

Turn: ($822.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($822.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $822.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and WON $819.50 (+$408.75 NET)
BB showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$410.75 NET)

no limit hold'em: seconds of terror. Guy was a total nut obviously. LOL @ the stack sizes ath the table, so sick. I shoulda shut down all my other tables and actually played poker.

[Rollos]

Blah coolers.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($94.90)
SB ($128.50)
Hero ($128.05)
UTG ($158.90)
MP ($152)
CO ($101.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $1, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($3) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $6, Button folds.

Turn: ($21) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $18</font>, Hero calls $18.

River: ($57) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $44</font>, Hero calls $44.

Final Pot: $145

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Ah 7h (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero has Jd 7d (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: SB wins $145. </font>

[Ajahn]

I'm playing one 2/4 table and three 1/2 tables since sunday. It's exciting, but bigger swongs.

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