STTF SNG->cash thread

[K䲰䮥n]

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Turn - Karp u still want to check?? Huh???

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Read my post at the [censored] thread. I beat nothing. Ever.

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Karp, post all 5 of those hands where you lost a buyin in 12 minutes in this thread. I'll bet there were some coolers but I'll bet some mistakes we could all learn from as well.

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Sure I'll do that later on. Sory for being an atenttion whore but for some reason my anger got smaller after typing instead of yelling into a pillow.

[Jbrochu]

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River: The always have nuts motcherfuckers they just know that their implied odds are sky high since they always river the nuts just find out his IP number and hire a hacker to plant gay porn to his hard drive then send anon email to his 7-year-old son. Then capture the feed of his webcam and enjoy the show when the "pro" is telling little Jimmy why grown men eat poo.

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A+ for creativity... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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My first impression was definitely call on the river, but the T is kind of bad in that it either makes the straight or pairs a lot of his floating hands.

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what does floating hands, and float light mean?

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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To the people saying he could have hands like AJ here. I don't think so. Most players don't vb very thin on the river. Thinking they do, is most likely a leak.

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What does thin mean?

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Traditionally a float is a call in position with air looking to pick up the pot by betting the turn. But it is now used interchangeably with 'peeling' which is what most fish do. Call a flop bet with KQ on a T high board and only continue if they pick up a pair or a draw.

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A thin value bet is one that we believe to be very marginally +EV.

[ChrisV]

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A typical villain at nl25 is as likely to check a monster on the flop as he is to bet it. So I'm not confident I have the best hand until the turn gets checked to me as well.

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Yes, he's liable to check a monster, but mostly he won't have a monster - he'll have JJ or KQ or something and those hands he will want to bet. You don't need to be sure you have the best hand on the flop, you just need there to be a good chance. If you check, neither alternative is good if you're facing a bet on a blank turn - you can either fold, in which case you'll be folding the best hand too much, or you can call, in which case you'd have been better off betting the flop.

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We pretty much had the same thought process on the river. He had AK btw - lol.

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Yeah, you have to call because people are just too weird. I could fold versus a villain I knew a bit more about.

[K䲰䮥n]

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Turn - Karp u still want to check?? Huh???

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Read my post at the [censored] thread. I beat nothing. Ever.

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Karp, post all 5 of those hands where you lost a buyin in 12 minutes in this thread. I'll bet there were some coolers but I'll bet some mistakes we could all learn from as well.

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Ok here we go. I wont include KK vs. AA and set under set hands.

#1 Everyone involved are loose preflop and providing massive implied odds post flop. Results for entertainment purposes.

Seat 1: Wipfelwupf ( $166.99 )
Seat 3: scunnyjay ( $83.22 )
Seat 5: TJUNER ( $100 )
Seat 6: Firetribe ( $127.55 )
Seat 8: puppas ( $100.05 )
Seat 10: fixad ( $38 )
fixad posts Small Blind $0.50
Wipfelwupf posts Big Blind $1
TJUNER posts Big Blind $1

Dealing cards
Your cards K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
scunnyjay calls $1
TJUNER checks
Firetribe calls $1
puppas folds
fixad calls $0.50
Wipfelwupf checks

Dealing Flop 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
fixad checks
Wipfelwupf checks
scunnyjay checks
TJUNER checks
Firetribe bets $4
fixad folds
Wipfelwupf folds
scunnyjay calls $4
TJUNER folds

Dealing Turn 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
scunnyjay checks
Firetribe bets $10
scunnyjay raises $20
Firetribe raises $112.55
scunnyjay goes All-in $58.22

Dealing River K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
scunnyjay shows 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Winner is scunnyjay $166.44




#2 few hands later. Villain is bad LAG it appears.


Seat 1: Wipfelwupf ( $166.84 )
Seat 3: scunnyjay ( $168.09 )
Seat 5: TJUNER ( $43.35 )
Seat 6: Firetribe ( $102.20 )
Seat 8: camilla84 ( $55.95 )
Seat 10: fixad ( $76.80 )
Firetribe posts Small Blind $0.50
camilla84 posts Big Blind $1

Dealing cards
Your cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [Firetribe]
fixad calls $1
Wipfelwupf folds
scunnyjay folds
TJUNER calls $1
Firetribe raises $6
camilla84 folds
fixad calls $5.50
TJUNER folds

Dealing Flop 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4:club
Firetribe bets $12
fixad raises $24
Firetribe raises $75
fixad goes All-in $46.30
Dealing Turn 7s 5s 4c Tc
Dealing River 7s 5s 4c Tc 6c
fixad shows 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Winner is fixad $152.60





#3 Villain was loose.


Seat 1: Wipfelwupf ( $166.99 )
Seat 3: scunnyjay ( $43.11 )
Seat 6: Firetribe ( $100 )
Seat 8: puppas ( $101.55 )
Seat 10: fixad ( $67 )
Firetribe posts Small Blind $0.50
puppas posts Big Blind $1

Dealing cards
Your cards T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [Firetribe]
fixad folds
Wipfelwupf folds
scunnyjay calls $1
Firetribe raises $4.50
puppas folds
scunnyjay calls $4

Dealing Flop 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Firetribe bets $7
scunnyjay calls $7

Dealing Turn 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Firetribe bets $12
scunnyjay calls $12

Dealing River 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Firetribe checks
scunnyjay goes All-in $19.11
Firetribe calls $19.11
scunnyjay shows K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Winner is scunnyjay $84.22




# 4 Villain LAG who bluffs a lot.

Seat 1: factman ( $247.80 )
Seat 3: Moradonna ( $12.50 )
Seat 5: 1234bjro1234 ( $30.45 )
Seat 6: Firetribe ( $98.50 )
Seat 8: aprilryan ( $98.50 )
Seat 10: FX31 ( $99 )
FX31 posts Small Blind $0.50
factman posts Big Blind $1

Dealing cards
Your cards 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [Firetribe]
Moradonna calls $1
1234bjro1234 calls $1
Firetribe calls $1
aprilryan folds
FX31 calls $0.50
factman checks

Dealing Flop 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
FX31 checks
factman checks
Moradonna checks
1234bjro1234 bets $3
Firetribe calls $3
FX31 folds
factman folds
Moradonna folds

Dealing Turn 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
1234bjro1234 bets $1
Firetribe raises $11
1234bjro1234 calls $10

Dealing River 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1234bjro1234 goes All-in $15.45
Firetribe calls $15.45 <font color="blue"> and types in the chat box "mind the rake damnit!"</font>
1234bjro1234 shows 6h Ah
Winner is 1234bjro1234 $60.90
<font color="blue">pwned</font>

<font color="red">So these plus the two hands (KK vs AA and set under set) happened within 12 minutes.</font>

Advices and symphaty appreciated. I obv did not play "perfectly" as I stated in the [censored] thread under emotional stress.

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Oh forgot to mention that hand 3 happen prior hand 1. So I was pretty sure in #1 that I'm ahead of scunnyjay's range.

[ChrisV]

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what does floating hands, and float light mean?

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A float is a call in position made by a player not because he thinks he has the best hand but because he thinks there is a good chance of bluffing the other player out later in the hand. For instance, someone raises and you call in position with QdJd. The flop comes Tc 6c 4d and they bet. You might opt to call here thinking that they're unlikely to have much either and might check fold the turn. Often, as in this case, a float is backed up by some possible ways to win - in this hand a Q or J might be good and you have some backdoor possibilities.

Some people also use "float" to refer to the general pattern of flat calling a bet in position to see what your opponent does on the turn, regardless of whether you have air or some kind of made hand.

You may also encounter the term "OOP float", which is the same thing as a float but out of position. This should only be attempted by trained professionals.

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What does thin mean?

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Thin means that you think a certain play is correct, but you expect that compared to the alternative, the money you make from it will be very small.