STTF SNG->cash thread

[Jbrochu]

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I have to disagree with ChrisV here. at the lower limits (25nl, 50nl, and maybe even 100nl) displaying stats isn't necessary. Yes it can help but it can also make the game more confusing that it needs to be. If somebody is just playing 1-4 tables they can pick up a lot of information on the tables and players just by reviewing all hands that go to showdown and taking notes. IMO, this information is much more useful than stats. Also for me I notice if I've got my stats up I'm not as focused on the hands that I'm not involved in.

I think at stakes or sites where you don't come up against the same players a lot playing without stats is the best way to go, especially for players who are starting out at cash or getting back into it. The most important thing for this type of player is getting the fundamentals down. I used to be in the more info = better camp but sometimes too much input makes your decisions tougher or creates unwanted confusion.

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Maybe it has something to do with how we as individuals might process information in different ways, but I totally disagree with you.

I actually believe stats are more useful at lower limits where you can make broad generalizations about opponents based on the default stats alone. I don't think you can necessarily do this at higher limits, so you have to bring actual reads and more advanced stats into your thought process to accurately profile an opponent. To me, this is more much challenging.

Another thing I like about stats is they give me the freedom to develop real reads on specific opponents based on the play of hands, while not leaving myself totally blind and oblivous to opponents and tables I haven't been able to focus on closely enough.

(I guess I'm admitting I don't have the capacity to watch more than one table closely enough to develop specific reads without leaving myself in the dark on my remaining tables. This might be something I'll develop over time, or maybe my brain just doesn't work that way. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img])

[ChrisV]

Karpanen J9dd hand: pf call is whatever, you can take it or leave it. I would fold because I don't think I play particularly well out of position. The rest is all standard.

Jbrochu As3d hand: Raising the flop is out of the question to me. On the turn it's close between fold and call. I would probably go with call because the ace is likely to be good and you're looking at a little bit of implied odds.

BHokie1 AsQd hand: I'd make it $2 pf. On the flop it's an easy allin. You're probably not going to make him fold, but there's no point postponing things until the turn where you're not going to want to fold if you miss and if you hit a spade he's likely to get scared.

blackize JJ hand: That's a really odd line. I think it's either T9 or some kind of combo flush draw, QJcc or T8cc or something. TT is also a possibility if he sees you as tight enough that he doesn't want to rr it pf. But he's aggro enough that I think I'd stack off now as I don't think he's firing another bullet if he misses a draw on the river. If he played a set like this, nh.

cakewalk AK hand: Bet the flop, he's folding a ton of his range.

[Jbrochu]

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Jbrochu As3d hand: Raising the flop is out of the question to me. On the turn it's close between fold and call. I would probably go with call because the ace is likely to be good and you're looking at a little bit of implied odds.

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Yeah - In game, I forgot to consider my Ace might give me a few additional outs.

[Jbrochu]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($10)
UTG ($29.70)
MP ($15.65)
jb ($24.80)
SB ($50.10)

Preflop: jb is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1</font>, jb calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, jb checks.

Turn: ($3.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $2</font>, BB calls $2, MP folds.

River: ($7.10) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $4.25</font>, jb calls $4.25.

Final Pot: $15.60


No reads yet at this table. Seems like the only hand that beats me (and makes sense) is ATcc or QT...?

[K䲰䮥n]

Preflop: I tend to 3bet this since your impliead odds arent that good vs his stack. 99 is tough to play for value without a set. For me atleast.

Flop: standard

Turn: I quess checking would be good too. I quess betting is too.

River: The always have nuts motcherfuckers they just know that their implied odds are sky high since they always river the nuts just find out his IP number and hire a hacker to plant gay porn to his hard drive then send anon email to his 7-year-old son. Then capture the feed of his webcam and enjoy the show when the "pro" is telling little Jimmy why grown men eat poo.

[K䲰䮥n]

English is not my first language. Plus I'm stupid as a boot. Please explain me what's the difference in these phrases:

1. My equity vs. villain's range is...
2. My EV vs. villain's range is...

[ChrisV]

Preflop - I'd need a strong read not to reraise. One play that I run occasionally against TAGs in this situation is minreraise. It's really hard to play against since at this level, if they don't know you, there's a substantial risk you have aces. (Obviously minreraise with aces is awful, but that's not the point). Therefore they will tend to freeze up and play the whole hand passively. A common result is them check folding a random flop. Meanwhile you have juiced the pot a little if you happen to flop a set. Give it a go sometime.

Flop - I would most certainly bet. If the raiser is slowplaying something then you have no outs or few outs. Much more likely is that the raiser has like AJ, in which case you're a strong favourite to have the best hand. Your hand is also extremely fragile and free cards are a disaster. This is an ultra-clear bet imo.

Turn - Karp u still want to check?? Huh??? You're virtually guaranteed to have the best hand at this point. I would bet more as well, more like $2.50 or $3.

River - Weird. The sizing looks like a value bet more than a blocking bet or a bluff. My gut says you're beaten, but it's tough without having any info on BB. If he's loose, I would expect to see T7 a lot here. I really want to fold because the idea that he played most of the hand passively (check, check, call) and only on the river decided hey, maybe I should try to win this pot by a means other than showing the best hand, doesn't ring true to me. But since there are so few hands that can check call the turn and then legitimately value bet the river, I guess I call.

[K䲰䮥n]

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Turn - Karp u still want to check?? Huh???

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Read my post at the [censored] thread. I beat nothing. Ever.

[GtrHtr]

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Turn - Karp u still want to check?? Huh???

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Read my post at the [censored] thread. I beat nothing. Ever.

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Karp, post all 5 of those hands where you lost a buyin in 12 minutes in this thread. I'll bet there were some coolers but I'll bet some mistakes we could all learn from as well.

[Jbrochu]

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Preflop - I'd need a strong read not to reraise. One play that I run occasionally against TAGs in this situation is minreraise. It's really hard to play against since at this level, if they don't know you, there's a substantial risk you have aces. (Obviously minreraise with aces is awful, but that's not the point). Therefore they will tend to freeze up and play the whole hand passively. A common result is them check folding a random flop. Meanwhile you have juiced the pot a little if you happen to flop a set. Give it a go sometime.


Flop - I would most certainly bet. If the raiser is slowplaying something then you have no outs or few outs. Much more likely is that the raiser has like AJ, in which case you're a strong favourite to have the best hand. Your hand is also extremely fragile and free cards are a disaster. This is an ultra-clear bet imo.


Turn - Karp u still want to check?? Huh??? You're virtually guaranteed to have the best hand at this point. I would bet more as well, more like $2.50 or $3.


River - Weird. The sizing looks like a value bet more than a blocking bet or a bluff. My gut says you're beaten, but it's tough without having any info on BB. If he's loose, I would expect to see T7 a lot here. I really want to fold because the idea that he played most of the hand passively (check, check, call) and only on the river decided hey, maybe I should try to win this pot by a means other than showing the best hand, doesn't ring true to me. But since there are so few hands that can check call the turn and then legitimately value bet the river, I guess I call.

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Great response, ty.

Preflop my normal course of action would be to raise if I knew anything at all about villain so I could make some sense of his response. However, not much these unknown's do at nl25 makes much sense at all to me until I start getting info on them. I guess with position you're correct and my default should be to raise even though I'm readless.

A typical villain at nl25 is as likely to check a monster on the flop as he is to bet it. So I'm not confident I have the best hand until the turn gets checked to me as well.

A lot of feedback I'm receiving about my play is in regards to bet sizes. Like here I bet 2/3 the pot on the turn and you suggest making it closer to a psb. I'm still sort of in SNG mode with bet sizes so I guess I need to re-evaluate how I think about it.

We pretty much had the same thought process on the river. He had AK btw - lol.