*** Official October Chat Thread: The Purple Goose ***

[futuredoc85]

well hes short so he cant fold anything that he 4-bets, not to mention 24/12 isnt raising all that many hands UTG 8 handed so how light are you really gonna think hes doing it? obv an A hi flop sucks for him but on any other flop hes gonna check and usually get at least a c-bet out of you.

[Hklm8383]

any1 can explain me in pokerev what is the difference with the LUCK graph tabs and the game analysis graph.

over 40k hands i have a difference of only 400$ sklansky bux but when i look at the luck graph the difference between the blue line and red line is like 1,2k

[futuredoc85]

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any1 can explain me in pokerev what is the difference with the LUCK graph tabs and the game analysis graph.

over 40k hands i have a difference of only 400$ sklansky bux but when i look at the luck graph the difference between the blue line and red line is like 1,2k

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luck graph contains only hands where you got all in, and its the one that says the most about how bad/good you're running

[TheProdigy]

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well hes short so he cant fold anything that he 4-bets, not to mention 24/12 isnt raising all that many hands UTG 8 handed so how light are you really gonna think hes doing it? obv an A hi flop sucks for him but on any other flop hes gonna check and usually get at least a c-bet out of you.

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I don't know but he has folded off literally 10+ hands I've 3bet him on today. I have position on like 5 tables and he is def. opening light, so he should be looking to get this in not worrying about being committed after he 3bets. Unless you were saying that I would realize he was committing himself and then fold off a lot of my hands because of that? Regardless I think a 4bet is so necessary here but I must obviously be wrong because you are obv. a much better player than me I just have to get my head around why I am wrong. TY though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Hklm8383]

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any1 can explain me in pokerev what is the difference with the LUCK graph tabs and the game analysis graph.

over 40k hands i have a difference of only 400$ sklansky bux but when i look at the luck graph the difference between the blue line and red line is like 1,2k

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luck graph contains only hands where you got all in, and its the one that says the most about how bad/good you're running

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thx doc

[futuredoc85]

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well hes short so he cant fold anything that he 4-bets, not to mention 24/12 isnt raising all that many hands UTG 8 handed so how light are you really gonna think hes doing it? obv an A hi flop sucks for him but on any other flop hes gonna check and usually get at least a c-bet out of you.

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I don't know but he has folded off literally 10+ hands I've 3bet him on today. I have position on like 5 tables and he is def. opening light, so he should be looking to get this in not worrying about being committed after he 3bets. Unless you were saying that I would realize he was committing himself and then fold off a lot of my hands because of that? Regardless I think a 4bet is so necessary here but I must obviously be wrong because you are obv. a much better player than me I just have to get my head around why I am wrong. TY though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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im saying that if he 4-bets light here, he has to call your shove even if he for some reason has 72o. He can 4-bet shove and that would be fine as well, but i dont think its really a big deal since the extra money he gets from your c-bets when you have trash (that you would fold to a 4-bet shove) makes up for the times an A flops.

[twoblacknines]

steller Ace high call holdem2000

PokerStars Game #12688427500: Tournament #64392781, $75+$7 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/10/17 - 20:10:50 (ET)
Table '64392781 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: bn2b (1570 in chips)
Seat 2: holdem2000 (1600 in chips)
Seat 4: fp2323 (1050 in chips)
Seat 5: Deemer6 (1450 in chips)
Seat 6: magnum60 (1995 in chips)
Seat 7: corbett3423 (1425 in chips)
Seat 8: gaIad (3130 in chips)
Seat 9: devolve (1280 in chips)
corbett3423: posts small blind 15
gaIad: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to devolve [Jc Jh]
devolve: raises 60 to 90
bn2b: folds
holdem2000: raises 180 to 270
fp2323: folds
Deemer6: folds
magnum60: folds
corbett3423: folds
gaIad: folds
devolve: calls 180
*** FLOP *** [Qc Td 4s]
devolve: checks
holdem2000: bets 390
devolve: raises 620 to 1010 and is all-in
holdem2000: calls 620
*** TURN *** [Qc Td 4s] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Td 4s Th] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
devolve: shows [Jc Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
holdem2000: shows [Kc Ah] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
holdem2000 collected 2605 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2605 | Rake 0
Board [Qc Td 4s Th Kd]
Seat 1: bn2b folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: holdem2000 showed [Kc Ah] and won (2605) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 4: fp2323 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Deemer6 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: magnum60 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: corbett3423 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: gaIad (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: devolve showed [Jc Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens

[Cry Me A River]

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $151.15
UTG+1: $32
MP1: $79.25
MP2: $30
CO: $95.45
BTN: $121.85
SB: $95
BB: $113.85

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $30 and is All-In</font>, 4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $100</font>, UTG+1 calls $28 and is All-In, MP1 calls $72.25 and is All-In

Flop: ($222) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($222) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($222) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $222 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Fours) and WON $94.50 (+$15.25 NET)
UTG+1 showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (four of a kind, Fours) and WON $124.50 (+$92.50 NET)
MP1 mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$79.25 NET)
MP2 mucked 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and LOST (-$30 NET)

[Cry Me A River]

I've just been getting destroyed by shorties all day so this was particularly awesome:

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP1: $109.65
Hero (MP2): $149.90
CO: $27.35
BTN: $81.50
SB: $124.05
BB: $85.95
UTG: $117.35
UTG+1: $98.20
UTG+2: $98

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, CO calls $8

Turn: ($25.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $19</font>, CO calls $15.35 and is All-In

River: ($56.20) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $56.20 Pot ($2.70 Rake)
Hero showed 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON $53.50 (+$26.15 NET)
CO mucked Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$27.35 NET)

[Cry Me A River]

I don't really like my line here, anybody have a better one? Seems like I'm loosing a lot of value when I'm way ahead and I'm only getting called when I'm way behind. But then again, I don't really want to be check/calling a big bet on blank river. OOP sucks.

Villain is 25/12/2.65 over 1100 hands. I doubt he can fold a small flush here, but, maybe?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $109.90
Hero (UTG): $106.70
UTG+1: $187.80
UTG+2: $38.20
MP1: $100
MP2: $91.95
CO: $128.80
BTN: $41.20
SB: $102.75

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $4, MP1 calls $4, 5 folds

Flop: ($13.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $10

Turn: ($33.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets $20</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $92.70 and is All-In</font>, MP1 folds

Results: $73.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero mucked A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and WON $70.50 (+$36.50 NET)