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Old 09-13-2007, 09:43 PM
Triggerle Triggerle is offline
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Just watched Dan Bitel's vid and a couple of questions...

1) Dan seems pretty intent on getting AK AI PF - what is the general consensus on this? I was under the impression that these days at 25NL, it is -EV to get it AI PF with AK... E.g. semi-bad TAG raises 4xBB, you 3-bet AK from the Button, he 4-bets - do you shove/call/fold...


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You shove if your opponent does this with more hands than AA,KK. An unknown at NL25 will almost never do this, though, unless it's a short stack. So standard for NL25 would be fold. In fact, I fold plenty of AK in that situation at NL50 and I feel good about it. Of course, once you have a read this gets easier and as soon as I have such a read I push plenty of AK.

Dan's usual games are a bit higher than NL25 and in those games an unknown is more likely to be 4-betting a wider range than AA,KK so the standard play becomes to get it in unless you have a read to the opposite.

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2) Dan makes a couple of examples of 3-betting light against TAGs - I realise that this is a difficult skill, and should be treated with caution, but I think that it can be used profitably at 25NL - my question is - folded to 18/15 who raises 4xBB from the c/o (you have seen him raising a lot IP and so he has a pretty wide range) - you have 89s OTB and 3-bet him. He calls (so flop is HU) and the flop comes A) A42r B) J75r C) 245 with 2 of our suit - TAG checks - what is you plan on each flop. - The reason I ask this is that c-bets get very expensive in 3-bet pots and so I think it is much more important to pick your spots than in non-3-bet pots.

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I think we all go through several stages in our cbetting, possibly several times over until we get to something that we are comfortable with. The "cbet everything" stage is not the end of it. Neither is my current stage of cbetting very selectively, which would lead me to cbetting only C as a semi-bluff.

Edit: I would like to add that I probably wouldn't 3bet 89 pre-flop if I had no read on my opponent's post-flop play. If I have such a read it could very well be that I would cbet either of the first ones, too. My choice for only C is based on the limited information you gave.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:44 PM
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caterp, coach me because I am playing so bad
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:14 PM
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wow plz to let me be u? May i ask how u first learned to play the game well? I.e. books? cardrunners? coaching?

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no formal coaching/cardrunners/any of that. just about a million or so hands of nlhe 6max and a lot of discussion with thoughtful minds. well, i have read a few pieces, such as a book or two on stud8/o8 (i dabble in both) and a couple of chapters from supersystem 2.

how i got started is a pretty hilarious study in poor BR management and i wouldn't recommend it to anyone
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:22 PM
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caterp, get on AIM plz
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:24 PM
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CAt- Can you pm me your AIM?
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:25 PM
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CAt- Can you pm me your AIM?

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lol you noob i see you on right now. if you deleted me it's your own fault
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:28 PM
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Lol wtf, i dont see you? YOuve got some random AIM right?
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:44 PM
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How are people running at 19/18? No flat calling with pairs preflop at all?

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Yeah when I run like this I rarely make any calls PF cause I don't have a hand to flat call with. I run more like 18/15 20/17 over more then 1000 hands though. Somewhere in b/t those two. But if under 1000 hands I can easily be 20/20, 19/18, or 21/20.

Edit: My last 11k hands at NL10 are more like 19/16/3.5
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:59 PM
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How many hands will it take to clear FTP's $600 bonus at NL25? Using foals stats I came up with a rough 75K hands? Is that anywhere close? I am thinking about depositing to FTP but I only play around 14K hands a month 4-tabling.

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I believe it's rake-dependent, so it depends on the stakes.

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$600 bonus at NL25

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Doh. And your icon is mocking me too.
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Old 09-14-2007, 12:22 AM
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Ok... so I decided to clear a $50 bonus on Full Tilt, I wish more nights were this easy.

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