OT: [censored] thread, August, READ RULES IN TOP POST

[MadScientist]

Cash game hand, two overs and a gutter:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post11667691

Not saying I played it well...

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Cash game hand, two overs and a gutter:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post11667691

Not saying I played it well...

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Seems fine. Reads would help, but most of the shortstackers are going to call the turn with any J, a T, spades, or even a bare 9 for a lot of them. If one or more of them is crazy aggro you can bet less and call when they raise. If they are calling stations (probably are) your bet is good. If they are rocks (probably aren't) you can bet less and fold to a raise.

Whether or not to cbet is also somewhat read dependent, but with the overs and gutshot it can't really be bad.

[The Yugoslavian]

mad/micro,

Isn't bet sizing on the turn of like $50 and then $60 or whatever a better way to get their stack in when they're behind? Seems to me if you're going to pot it you may as well push given the stack sizes.

Yugoslav

[MadScientist]

Micro, that's what i was thinking at the table.
Yugo, my whole turn play given their ranges may be funny. I was committed so I made a move that was an effective shove but maybe with a bit more fold equity as there are a lot of pair plus draw hands that can call me there.


BTW, the whole issue with the c bet is that i am oop with questionable outs in a multi way pot. Check folding that texture with a trap hand may be the play. I need to think about it some more. I'm hoping someone real good will respond and help me out. You def can spew a lot of monies against shortstacks in these spots.
If we were 200 bb deep, I think I would c bet everytime there.

[microbet]

Yugo,

Yeah, essentially no difference between push and pot. The chance he folds a draw against a push when he would have called pot isn't worth letting him keep his last $27.65 when the draw misses on the river.

I'd be fairly likely to bet $50 or $60 because it's better when BB has a weaker made hand, but pot is probably better if he has a draw (as he's likely to call way too much since he most likely is very bad) so it's a wash more or less.

Still, once you bet you are committed and the worst likely outcome where you win the hand is betting $50 on the turn and BB folding the river on a missed draw that would have called more on the turn.

[MadScientist]

Just listened to a Phil Gordon interview with Jerry Yang: spoilers below in white for those that didn't watch the ft live.
<font color="white"> In the hand against Lee Childs early at the final table, in the rr pot, where Lee got half his stack in and bet flop before open folding QQ, Jerry admitted he had JJ and was dead to two outs. I think Lee busted not too long after. Que Life Tilt.
OMFG. No [censored] Jerry believes in God, that is a [censored] miracle, board was wet and Lee was getting better than 2:1 I think. And wtf folding face up?</font>

[MadScientist]

Call here?: 57/26/3
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1370028

[K䲰䮥n]

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Call here?: 57/26/3
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1370028

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Why not bet the turn with that high VPIP?

[The Yugoslavian]

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Yugo,

Yeah, essentially no difference between push and pot. The chance he folds a draw against a push when he would have called pot isn't worth letting him keep his last $27.65 when the draw misses on the river.

I'd be fairly likely to bet $50 or $60 because it's better when BB has a weaker made hand, but pot is probably better if he has a draw (as he's likely to call way too much since he most likely is very bad) so it's a wash more or less.

Still, once you bet you are committed and the worst likely outcome where you win the hand is betting $50 on the turn and BB folding the river on a missed draw that would have called more on the turn.

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If he is on a draw it seems like a lot to ask for him to make an allin call/pot call error rather than a $50/$60 call error that is still quite significant.

Yugoslav

[futuredoc85]

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Call here?: 57/26/3
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1370028

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Why not bet the turn with that high VPIP?

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b/c high VPIP != min-3bets and calls 4-bets wide

theres like 1 draw that missed and hes not likely to have it, and there are maybe a couple PPs that he could turn into a bluff, but that is also not v. likely. possibly 2 high card hands he could be bluffing w/. fold river his range has you smoked and he could easily be slowplaying AA/KK, could easily have called flop w/ AK/KQ.