****OFFICIAL LOW CONTENT THREAD v.2****

[ipp147]

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I still haven't managed to read Slotboom's book even though I've had it for a month and a half. Is it really advocating buying in for the min? Neither Beset nor I are ever comfortable playing that short and usually buy-in for at least 40% when taking shots.

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He mainly talks about live games where a bunch of people played really deep and loose aggro so he would keep getting value with limp reraising and isolation or getting all-in with a good multiway hand and then watch his opponents blow each other off postflop.

I think in general his approach was great from a purely making money standpoint but most people will misinterpret his advice ala Ed Miller and SSHE.

[beset]

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Seriously tho, are there people out there doing this and making a decent profit? I mean i've had 2 -1k days now while playing with just 80 bucks at a time, this doesnt seem normal. This variance just sucks balls


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Wtf, I lost 5k in 75 minutes playing 2-4 just last week, you are definitely going to have -12BI swings if you buyin for the minimum.

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QFT.

Short-stacking is high variance. Is that in the book somewhere?

[brandysbich]

Not from what I've seen, he just says how effective it was.

I guess I must have underestimated the variance when I had a good few first days.

For those that play fullstack, have you tried this shortstacking and decided its not for you?

Also doesnt anyone know if theres a huge difference in expected winrate bewteen fullstacking your normal level or shortstacking say 2 limits higher?

[wazz]

Well I vastly prefer full stack but at the moment I can only afford to do that up to $200, but I will shortstack $400 and $500 games, and have had roughly 14 PTBB/100 over 3,500 hands at those levels. There is a lot of variance to it, but I've had many triple ups with simple AA vs KK vs KK in the shorthanded games. As long as the players are aggressive and you play clever, you can do very well, but you have to be patient. I generally buy in for $100-$200 on both tables. I've certainly been on an upswing for a good part of those hands, though.

[SteveL91]

I think FTP is trying to tell me that I suck at PLO and should quit the game. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[pete fabrizio]

folded top boat today without thinking twice. board Q 7 5 7 5. flop he bet, i raised, he called. turn check-check. river he bet, i raise, he 3-bets, i insta-fold and feel fine about it.

but, later in same session, i lone-ace bluff-raise the river and same guy 3-bets me. i look and, sure enough, straight-flush is possible. could he really have had the super-stones twice??? a-hole.

[guilt_trip]

Villian is the donkiest donk ever BTW

PokerStars Game #7129706153: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/22 - 15:22:43 (ET)
Table 'Hyperion' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Ludvard ($19 in chips)
Seat 2: guilt_trip ($69.90 in chips)
Seat 3: rclax420 ($24.05 in chips)
Seat 4: rdp66 ($62.25 in chips)
Seat 5: dadoun55 ($27.60 in chips)
Seat 6: riverqueenl ($15.95 in chips)
Seat 7: djjeffypoo ($13.85 in chips)
Seat 8: KRK0X5 ($148.30 in chips)
Seat 9: csipcsup ($124.95 in chips)
rclax420: posts small blind $0.25
rdp66: posts big blind $0.50
Ludvard: posts small & big blinds $0.75
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to guilt_trip [9s As 8c 6c]
dadoun55: calls $0.50
riverqueenl: folds
djjeffypoo: folds
KRK0X5: calls $0.50
csipcsup: folds
Ludvard: checks
guilt_trip: raises $3 to $3.50
rclax420: folds
rdp66: calls $3
dadoun55: calls $3
KRK0X5: calls $3
Ludvard: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 3h Ah]
rdp66: checks
dadoun55: checks
KRK0X5: checks
guilt_trip: bets $14.25
rdp66: folds
dadoun55: folds
KRK0X5: raises $14.25 to $28.50
guilt_trip: raises $37.90 to $66.40 and is all-in
KRK0X5: calls $37.90
*** TURN *** [8d 3h Ah] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [8d 3h Ah 4h] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KRK0X5: shows [4c Kd 2s Ad] (a full house, Fours full of Aces)
guilt_trip: mucks hand

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH

Ok I'm done

[wazz]

This is the worst guy I've ever played.... he dumped about $2500 to me in about half an hour. Complete lagtard. Raised 90% preflop and b/3b/all-in 95% of flops no matter what position, stack size, board, opponents, action in front. His favourite move was betting gutshots w/o pair all-in.

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$5
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $385
CO: $926.90
Button: $3.710.85
SB: $249
BB: $100.90

Hero is CO with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Pre-flop: (5 players)
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $20</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $80</font>, BB folds, CO calls, Button folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($185, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $164</font>, CO calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($513, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $513)


River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($513, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $513)


Results:
Final pot: $513
SB shows JD 5C 6S10D
CO shows 7H QC 9C 8D

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$5
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $381.10
CO: $319.80
Button: $360
SB: $1.157.90
BB: $3.645.85

Hero is SB with J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Pre-flop: (5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $20</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($100, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $100</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $299.8</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $1.1</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $261.1</font>.
Uncalled bets: $260 returned to UTG.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($402, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $623.3)


River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($402, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $623.3)


Results:
Final pot: $402
SB shows JC QC AD 6D
UTG shows 7H 2H AH KH
CO shows QD 5H 6H 10C

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$5
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $500
Button: $481
SB: $1.875.80
BB: $3.500.85

Hero is SB with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Pre-flop: (4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $15</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($45, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $40</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $125</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $435</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($915, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $39.95</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $40</font>, SB calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($995, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $995)


Results:
Final pot: $995
UTG shows 7C 6S 10S AD
SB shows 9C 5C 7H 8S

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Button: $265.10
SB: $2.168.80
BB: $802

Hero is SB with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Pre-flop: (3 players)
Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $15</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($45, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $60</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $300</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $722</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button calls all-in $185.1</font>, SB calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($1734.1, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $780.3, Sidepot 1: $953.8)


River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1734.1, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $780.3, Sidepot 1: $953.8)


Results:
Final pot: $1734.1
BB shows 4C 8S 2D JH
Button shows 10H 5H 8H 5C
SB shows 7C 7H AD 6C

[mixmastermattyk]

Wow, wazz. Talk about being in the right place at the right time. I found one of those guys last week, although I think it was more monkey tilt than just plain retardedness like the guy you robbed. I took two buyins off him and then he asked to play HU at $1000, which I'd never played before and proceeded to take another 2 buyins off him. Good times.

[blopp]

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Wow, wazz.

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Good work [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

- B