The Ljubljana Conspiracy.

[Vanishing Act]

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When Prock was in Ljubljana twice earlier this year he didnt mention visiting any parties mentioned in this thread.

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Except he absolutely did. When in Ljubljana, he mentions seeing friends named Jonas and Mike, which may or may not have anything to do with anything, but he did mention seeing Izmet Fekali by name (the stables look really nice).

2) It seems pretty obvious that the Fekali family is some joke that goes back to the RGP days, but it also seems like Izmet Fekali is a real person and that might even be his real name. So, then, who is Angelina on Paradise, and who is this?

Edit: And can I get her number?

[slavic]

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The DERB style is best for beating these good players. DERB is actually Sklansky and the rest is a total farce. The guys behind TwoPlusTwo are so smart, they invented a winning style, TAG, that could be beaten by the DERB style. Then, they increased the number of TAG players by causing the poker boom. The TAG players beat the fish and then DERB beats the TAG.

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I hate to interject facts into this thread, but the DERB style does not do well at all versus a TAG. It depends on weaker players, and irrationaly overaggressive postflop players.

[Dids]

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Hi newhizzle:

He would tend to get extra value on his more common winning hands. Top pair would be a good example.

Let me give an example. I remember a hand played in a $40-$80 hold 'em game at The Mirage from a couple of years ago. A nutty girl bet on the river and there was an ace-king on board. She got three callers and the third caller had an ace-nine. How this person could make this call is beyond me, but I suspect that if someone else had made the initial bet, he would have folded.

Best wishes,
Mason

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I'm guessing times have changed some- because is A9 calling here really that shocking in a 40 game these days?

[sublime]

I'm guessing times have changed some- because is A9 calling here really that shocking in a 40 game these days?

not really online, but live it would be somewhat.

i agree its not 'that' crazy since the pot must have been huge.

[sublime]

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Hi newhizzle:

You may be right in the sense that this may not be the way to maximize his profit on these hands, but he should still make a pretty good profit on them. Also, they don't occur very often. So you're looking at a difference that may not be that great that only happens on occasion. So, assuming that you are correct, this should not impact Derb's long run results very much.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Hi Mason Malmuth:

Please give DERB the respect he deserves and not pronounce his name Derb.

Best Wishes,
Sublime

[samr]

Check the date.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambl...76dd8c77b1f9f23

[Steve Giufre]

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DERB is not Izmet Fekahli. Fekahli's is a real family

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And he isnt Angelina, and he isnt a bot. He's just a poker player who plays too many hands, puts in too much action, and gets paid by other bad players way more than he should.

[BluffTHIS!]

From the secret annals of the SPRA:

Agent Prock stood there in the drizzling rain on the street corner in Ljubljana. He pulled his collar up against the warm summer rain and casually lit a cigarette, subltely using the silver lighter as a mirror to check behind him. With a quick snap he shut the lighter and furtively looked at the opposite side of the street once again. Then he sauntered off down the block and made a quick left turn into the alley. Near the end of the deadend alley, invisible from the street, was a recess and a secret door which he opened by pressing a certain brick. The door closed silently behind him and he entered a dimly lit warehouse and walked to the office a short distance ahead.

As soon as he had entered the office, and before he could make an admiring comment about Angelina's oh so svelte and enticing appearance in her customary mini skirt and tight thin top which showed the outline of her breasts sharply, Izmet barked out the question, "Were you followed?". "What do you take me for", said Prock, "of course I wasn't followed". "Good", said Izmet, the leader of the super-secret SPRA, the Slovenian Poker Research Agency. "You know what happens to incompetents around here". And well did Prock know, having seen the unmarked graves in the back field where the screw-up agents and bot programmers were buried.

Only then did he notice the shadowy figure in the corner of the office, purposely sitting out of the light in the corner so that his features could not be fully recognized. It was none other than Secret Agent DERB, a man with many alias' who had travelled the world seeking help to research the way to crack the TAG poker style. In years past people knew him as Michael Hall, then as Abdul Jalib, and now simply as Agent DERB. Agelina walked over to sit beside DERB, and she started to massage his aching wrists, fatigued by unending hours of mouse gestures while 10-tabling the Party 30/60 tables and wreaking havoc on the bankrolls and psyches of the so-called TAGs, minions of the leaders of SPRA's mortal enemy, the 2p2, lead by co-chairmen Sklansky and Malmuth.

Izmet said, "Let's get down to business". He looked at Prock and said, "Were you successful? Did you get it?". Prock nodded and said, "Yes but it wasn't easy. They kept it locked up in the safe of the 2p2 headquarters. Sklansky's never around, but Malmuth comes and goes at odd times, and Sklansky's welp Matt hardly ever leaves, sitting there in front of his damn computer watching porn on one monitor and reading those endless mind-numbing posts on 2p2's forums on the other. I had to wait until nearly 5 in the morning on the 3rd day I was staking out their joint before I could get in. Those dumb humps had the usual simple-to-figure-out password on their security system, taking the integer part of the cube root of the square of "MikeCaroIsaDope" rendered into a numeral. Once I was in, it only took me 10 minutes to spring open the safe. I did have a close call leaving though, as Mason was stumbling in after another "experimental" losing no-limit session at the Bellagio. But I ducked behind a file cabinet and slid out when he went to the john to relieve himself."

Prock then reached inside his coat and pulled out an envelope, which he handed over to Izmet. "At last!", cried Izmet, "We have the last piece of the TAG counter-strategy those greedy fools keep from all the sheep who hang on their every word and bow down to the TAG philosophy. They've kept it all to themselves, forcing us to spend years working it out. But now we have the last bit that we couldn't figure out! Now our programmers will be able to code the ultimate bot, based on DERB's trial and error and this final piece of strategy. No longer will the TAGs suck the fish dry, but will become the fish for us instead!", exclaimed Izmet with fervor and an almost eery glow.

Angelina spoke softly and said, "Well open it and don't keep us waiting! Agent DERB is tired and needs to get some sleep. He only stayed up after another 40 hour session so he could hear this before going to bed". Izmet slowly opened the envelope, marked 'Top Secret' and bearing the 2p2 logo, and took out the single page inside. On it was only once sentence, in very large handwriting obviously written by Sklansky. It said . . .


8-5 is the golden ratio in poker, the ratio of low to high cards.

[MyTurn2Raise]

That's it...I want to move to Ljubljana and become an 'apprentice' of the great poker minds that seem to inhabit the land! I do not have much to exchange except being a willing pupil. In my opinion, the teacher gets as much if not more out of master-apprentice relationships. I have been playing for a living for 18 months now, so there is much I need to unlearn. I am more than willing.

BTW-It looks like a lovely area of the world. I only know English...looks like I'll be learning other things as well.

[oreopimp]

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andy prock created pokerstove and has said in other threads that there is alot of mathematical information that he knows about but wont share with the public. hes indicated that he has some really sickening software out there that everyone would love to have but he wont share it.

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Any ideas to what kind of stuff this "special super secret" software does?