mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters

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Actually, I agree with this statement! If we reduced the driving age, we'd have less deaths at 16. But that's another thread for another time.

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scary. lol. But that would be a fun thread!

(you must know some very sophisticated and developmentally advanced 10 year olds if you feel comfortable with them driving cars.)

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Well, genius, they already have them.


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sigh... but they aren't allowed to bring them to school. Which is what this thread is about, isn't it?

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Wait, are they drunk when they're in class? It hasn't been THAT long since I was in school, but we generally waited until after classes to start the HEAVY drinking.

So really, if they're going to have guns, and you think beer = instant murder impulse, it seems that you'd want them to have the guns at the time they're least likely to be trashed, right?

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I don't think even you think that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that I believe, as a group in general, that if more college students had easy access to firearms (I'm going to allege something that I only have observational evidence for... most college students don't have easy access to firearms at school... I could be way off but Its my belief that this is accurate.)

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If more had access... what?

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Some private universities don't allow their students to carry firearms. Some people think that we'd be better off if everyone carried guns.

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I haven't seen anyone here advocate that "everyone" be compelled to carry.

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Out of this.. you conclude that I'm saying, "Anyone opposing a forcible disarmament of college students is advocating arming drunk stupid people."

Your retorts are a bit dishonest.

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No, your word choice is incredibly sloppy.

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I'm really surpsised that people would want college kids carrying firearms.

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This is basically the same crappy logic used when someone says "if you're for drug legalization, you must want 6-year-olds smoking crack."

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FWIW, I was a Campus Police officer while a student in college, and I carried a gun on me off duty, to class, and I never shot anyone.

I had several friends who were not campus police officers who carried concealed weapons to class, it never bothered me.


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My brother stole the keys to my parents car when he was 10 and took the car for a drive around the neighborhood. He didn't get into any accidents or kill anyone.

Therefore, I conclude that all 10 year olds should be allowed to drive cars.

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I knew a 30-year old man who drove his car into a tree.

I can't believe that some people want 30-year-olds driving cars!

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Actually, I agree with this statement! If we reduced the driving age, we'd have less deaths at 16. But that's another thread for another time.

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scary. lol. But that would be a fun thread!

(you must know some very sophisticated and developmentally advanced 10 year olds if you feel comfortable with them driving cars.)

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Actually, the statistics from the Georgia DOT show that there is very little drop off between drivers who start at 16 and drivers who start at 25, the first three years are still the most dangerous, so I made the assumption that if we allow kids to start driving at 13, they would be safer drivers by 16.

This occured in a public safety training meeting, and the instructor was not pleased with the huge can of worms I opened with that statement. I don't actually believe it though.

Back to your topic, I'm just saying, college students are legally adults, and they should be afforded all the rights granted in the Constitution.

I certainly met more than my fair share of people who should never own a gun, but that's my opinion.

I'm of the opinion that I try to never do anything to someone else's rights that I wouldn't want done to my own.

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Listen, I really do not like having this conversation with people who've never stared down the barrel of a criminal's gun, which was illegal by way. It was an invisible gun. The authorities had done their job, they had made it illegal.

Illegal guns don't kill people, right?


When you actually have some knowledge of what you're talking about MidGe, and are not happily and ignorantly residing in the country with the highest burglary rate in the world, we can discuss firearms.

You say I am falling for the NRA propaganda? No. In fact, you're falling for government propaganda, telling you you're safer without guns.

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Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.


- Heinrich Himmler

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I always like to bring this quote in whenever this discussion is brought up, because Himmler, in this instance, very dumbly decided to tell the truth.

The Germans stripped their people of weapons for control, not for "safety".

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Wow. Just...wow. At this point I'm pretty sure it's useless to even try and talk with these people about anything. To compare Nazi social policy with the decisions supported by the majority of citizens in a free country has to qualify as some sort of mental...something. Not illness, but, just...wow. I'm pretty sure I can't even go on in this thread, I don't think.

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Yeah, how are they even comprable???

One says "ordinary citizens don't need guns" and the other says "ordinary citizens don't need guns." It's just CRAZY to see ANY SIMILARITY there!!!

PS: people who butt into the middle of long threads to post "wow, just wow" comments without acutally offering anything to refute the statement they're "wowing" should be permabanned. ME FER MOD!!!

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Of course he doesn't. If he understood that he would have nothing to whine about, and might be resigned to honest arguments.


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(1) thanks... but I can speak for myself.

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That's the scary part.

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(2) this thread is spawned by a private school restricting a student's access to firearms

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What does it matter? I actually addressed this, and pvn clarified that he was merely criticizing the school's decision, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do when a private entity does something you don't like. From there, the discussion turned into whether or not the state should force citizens to refrain from carrying guns.

Because the thread started by addressing something different, I can't comment on the specific topic at hand? I don't get this. That eliminates about 95% of all discussion on this forum.

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(3) what exactly did I write that was dishonest?

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people [who are opposed to government gun restriction] would want college kids carrying firearms

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pvn- sorry, I thought this was a serious discussion. Judging by your tact, I take it that's not possible with you.

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Wait, are they drunk when they're in class? It hasn't been THAT long since I was in school, but we generally waited until after classes to start the HEAVY drinking.

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pointless blather.... nowhere did I suggest they're drunk in class. Nor is it relevent to anything I've said.

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and you think beer = instant murder impulse

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I didn't say anything remotely like it. Wow, you really have to resort to some cheap tactics to try to make a reply don't you?

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it seems that you'd want them to have the guns at the time they're least likely to be trashed, right?


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Once again, your replies seem to have no relation to anything I've said. Are you having an imaginary debate in your head?

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If more had access... what?


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I thought this part was clear? There is a correlation between youth violence and access to firearms. I believe a larger armed youth population (particularly when paired with a group with increased access and use of alcohol) will lead to more needless firearm related violence.
(yes, I believe college students are young, slightly immature and more prone to irrational and violent behaviour then adults. This is, supported by studies as well but I doubt that interests you.)

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I haven't seen anyone here advocate that "everyone" be compelled to carry.


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Where did I say compelled. You really can't respond to someone without changing what someone said. Rathar dishonest.

I said, "Some people think that we'd be better off if everyone carried guns." That is not the same as saying everyone should be compelled to carry guns.

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Most officers, myself included, prefer an armed public.

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This person in response to this thread said he prefers an armed public. Good enough for you?

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No, your word choice is incredibly sloppy.


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[kurto]

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I knew a 30-year old man who drove his car into a tree.

I can't believe that some people want 30-year-olds driving cars!




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exactly, we don't draw inferences from one example. But we do know that 30 year olds have less accidents then 16 year olds.

Since we agree that one example does not prove anything, you can see why the fact that the one poster here who carried a firearm while he was in college who didn't misuse it, doesn't tell us anything about the tendencies of a larger group of people in similar circumstances.

the number of 30 year olds who crash their cars, I allege, would be far less then 10 year olds.

So... what exactly was your point?

[DblBarrelJ]

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I knew a 30-year old man who drove his car into a tree.

I can't believe that some people want 30-year-olds driving cars!




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exactly, we don't draw inferences from one example. But we do know that 30 year olds have less accidents then 16 year olds.

Since we agree that one example does not prove anything, you can see why the fact that the one poster here who carried a firearm while he was in college who didn't misuse it, doesn't tell us anything about the tendencies of a larger group of people in similar circumstances.

the number of 30 year olds who crash their cars, I allege, would be far less then 10 year olds.

So... what exactly was your point?

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So what statistics are there exactly, that prove that college students can't responsibly handle firearms?

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Oh noes, not the nazi analogies again.

Obviously having no state is bad, look at somalia etc.