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Old 10-17-2007, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes

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Don't think this is that important info but:
Scott Tom is listed as Director of Mohawk Council of Kahnawake, Kahnawake, QC.
http://www.kahnawake.com/upload/photos/capital08.jpg
Anyidea if he's in this photo ?

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That doesn't look like his crowd of people...
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:29 PM
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I read the New York Times, and I am puzzled at how prison time is predicted.

It is up to AP to decide if a crime during the tournament has been committed on their server, is it not?

Since AP insists no crime was committed (at least not DURING the tournament), then how can there be prison time served? It doesn't matter if the whole world holds hands and says yes, there was a crime here. AP is the one who OWNS AP (and now UB). They make the decisions.
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes

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Don't think this is that important info but:
Scott Tom is listed as Director of Mohawk Council of Kahnawake, Kahnawake, QC.
http://www.kahnawake.com/upload/photos/capital08.jpg
Anyidea if he's in this photo ?

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I came across this while googling madly as well.

You'll find that "Tom Scott" is in fact the MCK director, not "Scott Tom"
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:30 PM
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I read the New York Times, and I am puzzled at how prison time is predicted.

It is up to AP to decide if a crime during the tournament has been committed on their server, is it not?

Since AP insists no crime was committed (at least not DURING the tournament), then how can there be prison time served? It doesn't matter if the whole world holds hands and says yes, there was a crime here. AP is the one who OWNS AP (and now UB). They make the decisions.

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...well, that's the way it would work in ancap-land, yes
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:32 PM
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Default Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes

it looks like the top item to me ... or atleast another article about this same thing
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:33 PM
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WOW congrats all. #1 article on the digg front page.

Edit: People are digging the wrong one. But still...
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:33 PM
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http://www.digg.com/offbeat_news/Abs...lown_Wide_Open

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Done my dig. Now linking it for the next guy.
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:33 PM
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From AP's official response:

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We spent extensive resources thoroughly investigating and analyzing our players’ claims. While our investigation is ongoing, we feel that we have enough information at this point to share with you some of our findings.

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In response to the allegations, we froze the accounts of the players in question while we performed an extensive investigation. The result of our investigation is that we found no evidence that any of Absolute Poker’s redundant and varying levels of game client security were compromised.

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And now, from sources within AP:

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The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.

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A month for this investigation? No one can be this stupid!

Coverup. 100%.

Expect everyone in AP upper management to be in Argentina by tomorrow. The audit can never happen... its all just too obvious once the information is available.
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:35 PM
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http://www.digg.com/security/Major_O...ght_Cheating_2

This is a different article that just made it to the front page. Digg this one up too.
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Old 10-17-2007, 03:35 PM
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U guys should watch out, cuz i'm sure the people who are behind this aren't gonna like the way you exposed them.. I'm afraid heads are gonna roll for this..

Good detective work.. but i'm afraid it won't go unpaid..

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I've definitely thought about this possibility with regards to my own safety. Here's the way I see it...

a) People know my real name and what I look like
b) Tons of people interact with me on a daily basis
c) If I went missing or something, it would be relatively obvious
d) If the AP people want some very serious US Gov't attention, the best way to do that would be threatening or hurting Adanthar, snagglepuss, myself, etc. I kinda doubt they want that.
e) This is not meant to be a brag, but I have a well-off and well-connected family. They would not let it rest if something happened to me, especially considering how obvious it would be who did it and who was behind it.

They have a lot to lose by making that mistake. So I'm banking on that, among other things, to protect myself and my friends.

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Good thinking but remember that in unrestricted countries like Costa Rica money buys everything.

Anyway, again compliments on the detective work. Really serious business and hopefully you guys will get acknowledged for your work once it will be put on the frontpages.
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