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#131
09-24-2007, 06:34 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I guess it's possible that southern schools are track powers and recruit from all over the country, but I highly doubt it [/ QUOTE ]How is this not possible if they are the established track powers? [/ QUOTE ] Here's the geographical breakdown of the top 8 100 meter sprinters from 2006. <font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> Name School Home state 1. Xavier Carter LSU Florida 2. Walter Dix Florida St. Florida 3. Demi Omole Wisconsin Wisconsin/born in Nigeria 4. Travis Padgett Clemson North Carolina 5. Jamaal Charles Texas Texas 6. Churandy Martina UTEP Netherlands Antilles 7. Tyrone Edgar Texas A&M England 8. Leroy Dixon South Carolina Indiana </pre><hr /> 4 kids from the South, 2 from outside the US, 1 from the North, and 1 who immigrated from Africa to the North. Is it a perfect scientific study, of course not, but the evidence is pretty compelling that world class speed originates primarily from the South. [/ QUOTE ] LOL! Nice sample size. 
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#132
09-24-2007, 06:36 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] Also they wouldn't play a black guy at QB if their life depended on it. [/ QUOTE ] ORLY? 1973 called. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Greene [/ QUOTE ] Seriously, the SEC is many things, but racially progressive isn't one of them, a quick google search shows black qbs in the Big 10 more than 15 years before the first SEC qb.
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#133
09-24-2007, 06:36 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I honestly don't think you can compare ND to USC or Texas, or whatever massive program. The schools are just so different. People go to USC to play in the NFL. Plain and simple. [/ QUOTE ] Notre Dame is as massive a program as there is, they just aren't a very good one right now. top recruits will go to w/e school gives them the best chance at the NFL. that used to be ND/Penn State, then Florida, now it's USC, etc etc. ND has the resources, name, and everything else required to be a top program. [/ QUOTE ] This is the same delusion that afflicts Alabama fans. The world is different now. Most high school recruits can barely remember a time when ND was competing for National Championships. They could care less about teams from the 60s and 70s, Touchdown Jesus, Ara Parseghian, Knute Rockne, waking up the echoes, that stupid leprechaun, etc. Team speed is a bigger part of the college game than it used to be. A disproportionate amount of the speed is in Florida and California. Kids from FL and CA do not want to move to South Bend, especially when they can go to Florida or USC. [/ QUOTE ] then explain how Weis has got 2 strong classes in a row [/ QUOTE ] Explain how Weis' "2 strong classes" are performing significantly worse than Ty's classes at UW, where we all agree it is harder to recruit talent.
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#134
09-24-2007, 06:44 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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The southern speed thing stems back from the late 80s and early 90s when Midwestern schools were slow to adapt to innovations in football strategy. They didn't know how to use their fast guys and they didn't recruit for speed. Also they wouldn't play a black guy at QB if their life depended on it. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe you are too young to remember, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but Notre Dame's best teams in my years of watching college football were 88-89 and 93. The two starting quarterbacks: Tony Rice and Kevin MacDougal. From 87-89 Michigan's two starting quarterbacks were Demetrius Brown and Michael Taylor. The last time Michigan State went to the Rose Bowl was in 1987, led by quarterback Bobby McAllister.
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#135
09-24-2007, 06:45 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also they wouldn't play a black guy at QB if their life depended on it. [/ QUOTE ] ORLY? 1973 called. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Greene [/ QUOTE ] Seriously, the SEC is many things, but racially progressive isn't one of them, a quick google search shows black qbs in the Big 10 more than 15 years before the first SEC qb. [/ QUOTE ] one of the reasons the big11ten became a power (the power?) in football in the 60s was that they welcomed black athletes from the South
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#136
09-24-2007, 06:46 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I honestly don't think you can compare ND to USC or Texas, or whatever massive program. The schools are just so different. People go to USC to play in the NFL. Plain and simple. [/ QUOTE ] Notre Dame is as massive a program as there is, they just aren't a very good one right now. top recruits will go to w/e school gives them the best chance at the NFL. that used to be ND/Penn State, then Florida, now it's USC, etc etc. ND has the resources, name, and everything else required to be a top program. [/ QUOTE ] This is the same delusion that afflicts Alabama fans. The world is different now. Most high school recruits can barely remember a time when ND was competing for National Championships. They could care less about teams from the 60s and 70s, Touchdown Jesus, Ara Parseghian, Knute Rockne, waking up the echoes, that stupid leprechaun, etc. Team speed is a bigger part of the college game than it used to be. A disproportionate amount of the speed is in Florida and California. Kids from FL and CA do not want to move to South Bend, especially when they can go to Florida or USC. [/ QUOTE ] then explain how Weis has got 2 strong classes in a row [/ QUOTE ] Explain how Weis' "2 strong classes" are performing significantly worse than Ty's classes at UW, where we all agree it is harder to recruit talent. [/ QUOTE ] that's an entirely different question. I was responding to "ND can't recruit top flight talent any more", which all talent scouts would agree is false.
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#137
09-24-2007, 06:48 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I honestly don't think you can compare ND to USC or Texas, or whatever massive program. The schools are just so different. People go to USC to play in the NFL. Plain and simple. [/ QUOTE ] Notre Dame is as massive a program as there is, they just aren't a very good one right now. top recruits will go to w/e school gives them the best chance at the NFL. that used to be ND/Penn State, then Florida, now it's USC, etc etc. ND has the resources, name, and everything else required to be a top program. [/ QUOTE ] This is the same delusion that afflicts Alabama fans. The world is different now. Most high school recruits can barely remember a time when ND was competing for National Championships. They could care less about teams from the 60s and 70s, Touchdown Jesus, Ara Parseghian, Knute Rockne, waking up the echoes, that stupid leprechaun, etc. Team speed is a bigger part of the college game than it used to be. A disproportionate amount of the speed is in Florida and California. Kids from FL and CA do not want to move to South Bend, especially when they can go to Florida or USC. [/ QUOTE ] then explain how Weis has got 2 strong classes in a row [/ QUOTE ] Explain how Weis' "2 strong classes" are performing significantly worse than Ty's classes at UW, where we all agree it is harder to recruit talent. [/ QUOTE ] that's an entirely different question. I was responding to "ND can't recruit top flight talent any more", which all talent scouts would agree is false. [/ QUOTE ] Good point, I probably should have directed that question at Dudd.
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#138
09-24-2007, 06:51 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
i want it noted for the record that Weis has had 3 recruiting classes
he chose to forego immediately going to South Bend and shoring up that recruiting class so that he could continue to concentrate on his duties with the New England Patriots without a head coach's influence, ND lost out on many late races the #40 before the two #8s and lack of skilled 3rd year players are most definitely Weis' fault. That decision back then might have sealed his fate now.
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#139
09-24-2007, 06:52 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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i want it noted for the record that Weis has had 3 recruiting classes he chose to forego immediately going to South Bend and shoring up that recruiting class so that he could continue to concentrate on his duties with the New England Patriots without a head coach's influence, ND lost out on many late races the #40 before the two #8s and lack of skilled 3rd year players are most definitely Weis' fault. That decision back then might have sealed his fate now. [/ QUOTE ] TY MT2R, I was wondering about that.
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#140
09-24-2007, 06:55 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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http://www.slate.com/id/2060524/ Northern/Southern speed myth. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, what is showing up is a difference in philosophy and schemes Teams in the South are more advanced in that way. They will take 'undersized' guys and put them in the game for their speed (safeties upto linebackers, OLBs to DEs, etc). Very few 'Northern' programs do this as often as they do in the South.
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