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Old 07-09-2007, 04:18 PM
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That doesn't really matter. Even if you banned non-white players from today's MLB it would still be tougher.

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I agree.
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Old 07-09-2007, 04:29 PM
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Default Re: Bonds is a selfish prick, Exhibit ZZZQ

He's smart for sitting this out.

The HR Derby completely f-ed up David Wright's swing in the second half. He became super homerun swing pull happy for like 2 months afterwards.
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Old 07-09-2007, 04:35 PM
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Default Re: Bonds is a selfish prick, Exhibit ZZZQ

Why are people discussing the HR Derby in this thread? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
It is more likely David Wright ran hot in the first half and ran badly in the second half. Especially since they aren't true halfs, but rather 60% of the season 40% of the season.
Edit: 87 games pre ASB 67 games post.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:09 PM
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Why are people discussing the HR Derby in this thread? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
It is more likely David Wright ran hot in the first half and ran badly in the second half. Especially since they aren't true halfs, but rather 60% of the season 40% of the season.
Edit: 87 games pre ASB 67 games post.

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Wait...what? Run that math by me again.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:17 PM
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I think the 87 part is right.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:26 PM
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I think the 87 part is right.

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Well, its different for different teams, but its pretty close. Twins have played 88. But that means the second half is 75, not 67, and its pretty close to 50/50 for the ASB. 53/47.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:31 PM
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vhawk,
Sorry that is games played by D. Wright.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:41 PM
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Default Re: Bonds is a selfish prick, Exhibit ZZZQ

how come everyone wants to try and give ruth all of the conditions that would make him a worse player (better competion etc.) but none that would make him a better player( even forgetting steroids if he worked out legitimately he surely would have improved as a player)

Even if Bonds is better than Ruth, Ruth still had a much bigger impact on the game than Bonds. Ruth changed the way the whole league played games, Bonds changed the way people pitch to him and not the whole league.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: Bonds is a selfish prick, Exhibit ZZZQ

One additional thing ... if we are going to say that Bonds is "better" than Ruth, then why do we stop with Bonds? Certainly, steroids aside, Bonds is a great player, one of the all-time best. But what about Sammy Sosa in his prime? Or A-Rod? Griffey Jr. in his non-injured prime? Are these guys also better than Ruth? What about Willie Mays? Was he better than Ruth?
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:53 PM
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We are talking about which is better, not more influential. It is a lot easier to be influential when you get in on the ground floor...

Also, I don't think you can count Ruth's laziness as a plus. Bonds, steroids or no, has great work ethic. Ruth just ate a lot.
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