STTF SNG->cash thread

[ChrisV]

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Is this a good spot to try to get a T to fold?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $61.15
SB: $41.35
BB: $29.15
Hero (UTG): $56.70
CO: $82.70

Pre-Flop: 8 8 dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) K T 7 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1

River: ($4.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>

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Your hand is good often enough to just check behind IMO.

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This isn't good thinking. If your hand is good it's irrelevant whether you bet or not. Your thinking about whether to bet should revolve entirely around the cases where your hand is no good.

[ChrisV]

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Villain was 35/15/1 30 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($7.70)
UTG ($26.70)
MP ($29.25)
CO ($6.25)
jb ($65.05)
SB ($13.60)

Preflop: jb is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">jb raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($6.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $3</font>, UTG calls $3.

Turn: ($12.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, jb checks.

River: ($12.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, jb...?

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Bet turn, but check behind this river. Your aim on the turn is pretty much not to give free cards and to stack AK.

[ChrisV]

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villian is 50/12

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($30.75)
MP ($19.35)
Hero ($63.10)
SB ($109.15)
BB ($47.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($21.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6.

River: ($33.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $5</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $33.75

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Looks good. He seems a bit uncertain about his hand on the river but I wouldn't be trying any bluffing moves against a 50 VPIP guy.

[Eagles]

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No significant reads.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $64.90
Hero (BB): $61.30

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.60</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.20</font>, Hero

What's the plan?

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Call and await developments, you're too deep to reraise. Also none of your draws are nut draws.

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RAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Jbrochu]

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Villain was 35/15/1 30 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($7.70)
UTG ($26.70)
MP ($29.25)
CO ($6.25)
jb ($65.05)
SB ($13.60)

Preflop: jb is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">jb raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($6.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $3</font>, UTG calls $3.

Turn: ($12.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, jb checks.

River: ($12.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, jb...?

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Bet turn, but check behind this river. Your aim on the turn is pretty much not to give free cards and to stack AK.

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Ok - good players 4, jb 0.

I suspected I was being results oriented and it's been confirmed.

[Jbrochu]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($32.65)
MP ($22.75)
Button ($23.15)
SB ($15.50)
jb ($26.10)

Preflop: jb is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, jb checks.

Flop: ($0.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, jb checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $0.75</font>, SB folds, jb calls $0.75.

Turn: ($2.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
jb checks, MP checks.

River: ($2.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">jb bets $1.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2.5</font>, jb...?

30/4/2 in 24

Should I fold this even though I'm getting 5-to-1 odds?

[futuredoc85]

call

[DevinLake]

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This isn't good thinking. If your hand is good it's irrelevant whether you bet or not. Your thinking about whether to bet should revolve entirely around the cases where your hand is no good.

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What??? This isn't good thinking. Your thinking should not revolve entirely around when your hand isn't good. So, the only reason to bet or not is if as a bluff, and whether you think that bluff will work?

Betting here is turning your hand into a bluff, you have show down value. However, you have to ask your self how often is 88 not good here, and how often will a better hand fold?

There aren't a lot of better hands that fold. A ten might fold, 99 probably will. A K and an A is never folding. Both are unlikely for villain, but both are very unlikely for you as well.

Personally, I think if you are betting this river, you should have just folded the turn. The turn peel combined with the river bet, means that you didn't really think your hand was good when you peeled turn. If you thought that was the case, you were going to have to bluff a lot of cards. Bascially any broadway. But, I don't think this is a good board to float a turn bet on with the intention of bluffing the river.

[cha59]

I call the river because of pot odds without giving it very much thought.

I probably fold the flop because the pot is so small I don't think the implied odds are good enough to call a pot sized bet. Does anyone have thoughts on that?

[blackize]

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I probably fold the flop because the pot is so small I don't think the implied odds are good enough to call a pot sized bet. Does anyone have thoughts on that?

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You're getting 2:1 immediately so you only have to win a PSB on a future street to break even. Ignoring the possibility of overflushing or board pairing. You probably get paid off on 2 streets by an ace at 25nl so I think it's a call readless.