ask trying2learn about casino player ratings & the host position - Page 13

BigBluffer · #**121** 03-31-2006, 04:18 PM

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It is my understanding that practially ALL casinos rate the Pass/Don't Pass bet only. So if you are $25 on the line, the you are being rated for $25 x Theo on pass line (1-2%). You may be able to get a buffet comp at a smaller off strip establishment with that action. You will not likely find $5 minimums on the strip, except maybe Casino Royal, so your friend will be limited to where he can play with the $6 6's and 8's.
Your theo on your play ($10-$20 per hour) sounds about right for your pass line x # rolls x 1.4% (remember odds dont count in theo as they are true odds). Look for a casino to give you 30-50% of theo back in comps.

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Is this true - most comp action is based off Pass/Don't Pass wager alone?

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I'm sure what he was referring to is the situation where you make a pass line bet then back it up with odds. Only the original pass line bet would count for your rating, not your odds bet. All of your other bets -- come bets, field bets, place bets, hard ways, one roll bets -- all of these would also be counted toward your rating.

trying2learn · #**122** 03-31-2006, 04:49 PM

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It is my understanding that practially ALL casinos rate the Pass/Don't Pass bet only. So if you are $25 on the line, the you are being rated for $25 x Theo on pass line (1-2%). You may be able to get a buffet comp at a smaller off strip establishment with that action. You will not likely find $5 minimums on the strip, except maybe Casino Royal, so your friend will be limited to where he can play with the $6 6's and 8's.
Your theo on your play ($10-$20 per hour) sounds about right for your pass line x # rolls x 1.4% (remember odds dont count in theo as they are true odds). Look for a casino to give you 30-50% of theo back in comps.

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Is this true - most comp action is based off Pass/Don't Pass wager alone?

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yes - the odds behind the pass line have no house edge.

trying2learn · #**123** 03-31-2006, 04:51 PM

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At the Bellagio and the Wynn they simply issued me two cards and my wife would play with my second card; all the play got aggregated. I have assumed (maybe wrongly) that any casino would do the same.

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you can do it however you want. some couples choose to get two seperate accounts because they come to town more often and therefore get more offers. if you and your wife came to vegas once a year...i would probably reccommend you play on one card to make your offer more substantial.

regression · #**124** 03-31-2006, 05:28 PM

Follow-up: One of the benefits of being a regular at places like the Bellagio, Ceasar's Palace, and so on, has been their ability to get tickets to shows, including shows for casinos they do not host. This is particularly important in the 'staying married' category. For example, the host at the Bellagio can usually obtain good tickets even to shows at other properties. Is that generally true for strip casinos, off-strip casinos, and so on?

And thanks, by the way, this is an excellent thread.

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trying2learn · #**125** 03-31-2006, 05:40 PM

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Follow-up: One of the benefits of being a regular at places like the Bellagio, Ceasar's Palace, and so on, has been their ability to get tickets to shows, including shows for casinos they do not host. This is particularly important in the 'staying married' category. For example, the host at the Bellagio can usually obtain good tickets even to shows at other properties. Is that generally true for strip casinos, off-strip casinos, and so on?

And thanks, by the way, this is an excellent thread.

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Casino's hold a "casino block" of just about everything - rooms, tables in fine dining, and of course seats in the theatres. This means the best seats of each ticket denomination are reserved for casino use.

If I have a player who wants to go see Blue Man Group, and we're going to take care of it...I will then call the Venetian Casino Marketing department, not the box office. This will assure the player of the best seats possible. Casino's ALL use this system, because if a player is having the show taken care of by the 'home casino' then the 'show property' of course wants to take care of them because they know a gambler is coming in. What some hosts will do for certain players is, not call the Marketing Department at all, but go straight to a host they know at said property. It's you scratch my back, I scratch yours philosophy. Then the host gets credit for bringing in the player - which depending on the size of play is beneficial for all.

It gets really interesting when players begin to pick up on the ability to maintain high ratings at more than one property...because then they have more shows, events than they can do in a weekend trip...but they want to participate in the different tournaments, shopping sprees etc.

I've heard of and seen numerous players selling off choice tickets to a show to other players they meet in high limit, etc.

Wongboy · #**126** 03-31-2006, 07:49 PM

What are the blackjack rules at your place?

S17/H17?

Doubling restrictions, including doubling after splits?

Surrender (early or late)?

Any short BJ payouts (6:5, 1:1, etc)? Its truly sad that we need to even ask about that one.

How often do the dealers shuffle? It is a shame to finally catch a good deck/shoe and then have the casino shuffle really early with 1/2 deck or more remaining in a 6 deck shoe.

By "Blackjack", I mean games that do not have continuous shuffling machines.

I would assume that the rules vary by # of decks, and the more detailed info, the better.

Origami · #**127** 03-31-2006, 07:52 PM

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What some hosts will do for certain players is, not call the Marketing Department at all, but go straight to a host they know at said property. It's you scratch my back, I scratch yours philosophy. Then the host gets credit for bringing in the player - which depending on the size of play is beneficial for all.

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Can't this lead to the hosts at other properties "stealing" your clients?

VORP · #**128** 03-31-2006, 10:44 PM

T2L, I saw this situation on the strip a little while back. A guy had been playing poker and drinking for a while and started getting pretty belligerent. The floor talked to him and told him he needed to calm down. He didn’t and so was soon asked to leave. He got really angry over this and said that his host was going to come talk to the floor man. All I know is that his host did come in to talk to the floor but the guy never came back in.

What would a hosts position be in a spot like this? Is he basically just talking to the manager to appease his guy? Or can he push enough to get something like this overturned?

trying2learn · #**129** 04-01-2006, 12:24 PM

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What are the blackjack rules at your place?

S17/H17? Hit on Soft 17

Doubling restrictions, including doubling after splits?
None

Surrender (early or late)?
No Surrender except on the couple 'Super Fun' games

Any short BJ payouts (6:5, 1:1, etc)? Its truly sad that we need to even ask about that one.
Again - it's even money on the 'Super Fun' games, they also play double suited diamonds...it's a shtick game

How often do the dealers shuffle? It is a shame to finally catch a good deck/shoe and then have the casino shuffle really early with 1/2 deck or more remaining in a 6 deck shoe.
at the yellow card - which is placed 60/40

By "Blackjack", I mean games that do not have continuous shuffling machines.

I would assume that the rules vary by # of decks, and the more detailed info, the better.

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Hope that works for you. Any more detailed questions, let me know.

trying2learn · #**130** 04-01-2006, 12:29 PM

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What some hosts will do for certain players is, not call the Marketing Department at all, but go straight to a host they know at said property. It's you scratch my back, I scratch yours philosophy. Then the host gets credit for bringing in the player - which depending on the size of play is beneficial for all.

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Can't this lead to the hosts at other properties "stealing" your clients?

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This is an interesting question that is more falacy than anything. The problem with hosts stealing players is much more prevelant in-house than out. If a player wants to try another casino...they're going there, period. Hosts (the good ones anyway) are not too worried about hosts at other properties because MANY of these players bounce around once they get to a cetain level of action anyway. When players start "black chippin'" they stay at one spot...the more they grow and become larger players...the more they spread themselves out. There are def some hosts who try to 'steal' players...but a call here and there to help a player out doesn't really create that problem. Many hosts are friends...it's like an old clique in highschool almost.