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someone please tell me why we never fold AK preflop

[DevinLake]

I do...I think I did today actually.

[Josem]

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someone please tell me why we never fold AK preflop

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Well, obviously sometimes we should fold AK preflop.

However, much of the time we have:

a) huge showdown equity vs AQ-

b) 50/50 showdown equity vs 22-QQ

c) Opponent unlikely to have AA-KK 'cause we have an A and a K

d) huge fold equity vs 22-JJ

e) Often have pot odds to make (b) +EV

[cakewalk]

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someone please tell me why we never fold AK preflop

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Well, obviously sometimes we should fold AK preflop.

However, much of the time we have:

a) huge showdown equity vs AQ-

b) 50/50 showdown equity vs 22-QQ

c) Opponent unlikely to have AA-KK 'cause we have an A and a K

d) huge fold equity vs 22-JJ

e) Often have pot odds to make (b) +EV

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i realize that it's mostly a function of our odds after we 4bet, and you can't argue with odds.

so i guess what i'm saying is folding AK to a 3bet when it's against players we'd don't feel comfortable shoving over a 4bet


in non legal terms:

folding to a 3bet against these players, or calling. idk i might be too high for this level of thinking

[Josem]

bengiec,

http://www.rvgsoftware.com/ is the answer.

[DevinLake]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO ($332.30)
Button ($170.10)
SB ($408)
BB ($83.40)
UTG ($384.70)
Hero ($457.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $60

[K䲰䮥n]

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Villain is unknown.

No IQ poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($101.10)
SB Hero ($104.40)
BB ($100.00)
UTG ($89.25)
UTG+1 ($36.75)

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to 3.50, BB calls 3.00.

Flop (8.00) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets 6.00, BB calls 6.00.

Turn (20.00) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets 15.00, BB raises to 30.00, Hero calls 15.00.

River (80.00) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero checks, BB bets 30.00, Hero calls 30.00

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this aint getting any love. bump.

[FF_Woodycooks]

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Im officially quitting SNG's forever and returning to cash.
Sng's can burn in hell, burn in f'ing hell.
Hope to join in on some good discussion here.

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Congratulations on taking the red pill.

However, that "100 FR" in your location is ominous. Full ring cash NL is the work of the devil. Learn to play 6 max and you'll be able to play anything.

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I've played FR for about 200k hands in the past, ran at 4 ptbb. I just need to win at anything for a while, sngs have driven me to the brink of insanity :P Six max seems to tilt me easily as I hate being humbled and that happens way more often. You also make uber rakeback 10-12 tabling FR.

[Jbrochu]

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Villain is unknown.

No IQ poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($101.10)
SB Hero ($104.40)
BB ($100.00)
UTG ($89.25)
UTG+1 ($36.75)

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to 3.50, BB calls 3.00.

Flop (8.00) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets 6.00, BB calls 6.00.

Turn (20.00) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets 15.00, BB raises to 30.00, Hero calls 15.00.

River (80.00) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero checks, BB bets 30.00, Hero calls 30.00

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this aint getting any love. bump.

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I think without any reads it's just a really hard spot. Getting just better than 3.5-to-1 I would probably call expecting to be behind a lot but ahead enough to justify the call.

[Jbrochu]

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Six max seems to tilt me easily as I hate being humbled and that happens way more often.

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Ha ha - the other day I realized I was taking things personally wayyyy too much in these 6-max games and tilting a bit as well. Cha talked me down off the ledge and I have made it a goal to control this better.