NL Bots on Full Tilt

[nlnut]

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I'll say it again...

In what form is this "playbook" is it on a computer or something like a printout? Simple question that doesn't involve releasing any "strategy" info.

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The only way that stats could be that similar is if you have an exact set of criteria. You claim to have written it on paper. You have an algoithm that is so simple that it can be followed without question.

1) Lets see it. You should be able to furnish it from memory without any difficulty since you play by it always..............not gonna tell you our strategy...would an NFL coach tell the competing coach his strategy???

2)Let someone else play by it and see if they can get the same stats independantly.............again i'd have to share my strategy with you...not gonna happen.
3) Is this not the exact last step before a bot is programmed? Exact algorithmic criteria for play? If this can be done than a bot could easily be programmed with the same criteria. This paradox that you have exact criteria but it would be impossible to program a bot to do it, combined with the stat evidence is enough for me to be very suspicious............... .....your allowed to have your opinion. FYI I have no idead to even start on how to create a bot....so the exact criteria is only usefull for us HUMAN players

Lets see the proof................. I will try to get one posted. Don't have one yet....I dont have a digital camera and will have to borrow one first. However we are not playing for a week or so, so will this do any good?.
Regards,
Greg

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[nlnut]

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I suspect that the button presses are being done by a human. It could be a script telling them the proper move, very easily, but the fact that FT cleared them and their apparent lack of scale leads me to believe this.

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After reading this entire thread, this is my deduction from the evidence and the response from the players.

They do have 3 people signed in. They have an automated script running dictating action on every street. The human then clicks the button.

This allows them to be exonerated by FTP for botting.

The statistics say it's a computer making a decision. The fact that they're able to fly under the radar says it's a human clicking the button.

Chuck can admit to everything here except the script running because it would violate the T&C.

The Poker Mom

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There is no automated script running dictating action on every street. All human decisions.

[NOSUP4U]

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nlnut,

Are going to let Brandon go get some sleep now that you're here? He took the night shift for defending your BS story, so you should be able to take the day BS shift all by yourself.

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Lol Bluffthis! I DO, however, like your picture of Doc Holliday.

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You tried this kind of fake sucking up with the OP and how you like Alex Trebek also. Its kind of transparent.

Mark

[Wahoo73]

Amen, brother Ian!

Although I'm only on page 65 of this thread, this is exactly the same way I feel about this situation at this point. Even if these guys are not employing bots in some fashion, I strongly concur that their play is unethical and that their contrived, half-truth explanations here make them dishonest IMO.

I may not stop playing at FTP, although I certainly want them to explain their actions/conclusions, but I will make it a point to never play with any of the identified accounts as I consider what they are doing to be threatening to the integrity of the game.

And now I will read the rest of this thread. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[dahlig763]

Makes sense that you guys wouldnt play till the heat dies down, how would you run your operation with several players cherry picking you?

[nlnut]

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i think the only way nlnut and BJ can flush all of our allegations away is come out with some proof. prove to us your system is legit and we'll back off. pictures, show us some stats from your PT database, assuming you have one. Do something to prove your innocence instead of just lying and telling us we're wrong.

[/ QUOTE ] No need to show PT stats....I confirm that the stats trebek has posted are accurrate. Ill try to post a computer setup pix sometime today.

[Our House]

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There is no automated script running dictating action on every street. All human decisions.

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Good. I think it's about time that someone (statistician maybe) in this thread started to analyze the bet AMOUNTS - percent of the pot on every street - instead of just the %ages of whether someone did or didn't bet on each street.

PLEASE, someone do this:

- What percent of the pot are these guys betting on every street?

- What SIZED bets are these people folding to when they fold?

If there is no automated script running, we'll be able to tell if this "system" is within human ability or not. No human could or would be able to perfectly assess the exact same percentage bet (rounded up or floored down to the exact dollar or whatever) 100% of the time over 500k hands.

SOMEONE DO IT PLEASE!

[MicroBob]

to all the guys saying they are on page 65 of this thread or whatever: go to your personal settings at 2+2 and change the settings to 100 posts for page.
You are still viewing it on the default setting of 10 posts per page and it's just making life more difficult for you.

NOOBS!!!!!

[BrandonJoseph47]

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Brandon,

You obviously care since you are constantly posting here, over and over. You do not necessarily need to care about what the forum thinks, but you DEFINITELY care because this might end up getting your (well, alledgedly your) accounts suspended once again or some other thing that might affect you playing/"business venture", and this is obviously why you are continuing to post here.

Stop being so retarded as to say you don't care when all you really care about is exonerating yourself to get back to playing without having to worry about being shut down again.

Thus, what you have done, has by all accounts, done more to hurt your credibility than to help the cause of your and your friends. I am not convinced at all you are bots; rather the other way around in fact.

The only thing I'm saying is that you were really, really stupid to lie from the start, and that because of this, nobody will listen to a word you say. Also, once again, the fact that nation and full_tilting decided to come out with their affiliation to you is beyond retarded.

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You're right. I do care about my account. However, if they must freeze it again, and investigate further, then so be it. I have nothing to hide, and we will be repeatedly cleared if that happens. This is just getting into character bashing, and I will take part in no more of these threads(to a roaring applause, I'm sure). Let me just go on record as saying that you are all DEAD WRONG. It's a shame this is happening, and I apologize to Chuck and Nation if I hurt their reputations in any way. The rest of you will eventually figure out that you were wrong all along, and this is me gloating in advance, for I will NEVER come back to this jip joint of a sorry excuse for intelligant people's forum again!(more applause,even louder this time!) Again,apologies to Chuck and Nation, thank you 10(probably more like 5)%, and the rest of you can suck me sideways. Good luck at the tables, cheers.(more applause)

[derosnec]

Advanced Conflict Resolution in System Poker: B2.408 (3 credits M/W)

1st Case Study due Tomorrow (link to case):



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OK. Ill try and make this as short as possible. Last night I allowed a close friend to play on my stars account. I went too bed. I trust this guy with my life. He told me he was gonna single table 1-2 nl. He sat down at 1/2 nl and lost $200. He then sat down at 3/6 no limit and lost another $200. He sits down at 5/10 nl and loses $600. He is now down $1000. He takes $1000 to 10/20 nl and cashes out for $3500. Total session profit was $1500. Now heres the point....if he had lost the $2000 it would have taken him months to pay me. I'm just shocked and really pissed he did this. I just woke up this morning and found his note that he won $1500...and hes asking....can I stop over later today for the money? How do I handle this? Obviously Ill never let him play alone again.....but in addition to that what should I do?


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