STTF SNG->cash thread - Page 122

Scuba Chuck · #**1211** 10-02-2007, 05:47 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Scuba,

Ummm.....errr.....huh?

Shipping it in should be fine as well as calling and shipping it in on the flop (I think I prefer this one).

Yugoslav

[/ QUOTE ]

What do you think his hand range was? I think I'm losing or tying too much here.

futuredoc85 · #**1212** 10-02-2007, 05:56 PM

---
154,107,360 games 0.005 secs 30,821,472,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.293% 43.79% 03.51% 67479612 5402286.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 52.707% 49.20% 03.51% 75823176 5402286.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }

---

at worst

microbet · #**1213** 10-02-2007, 05:56 PM

Scuba,

I wouldn't fold KK to one player and 11/11/3.5 isn't that weak/tight. He could have AK or QQ. If you can correctly fold KK pre then you are playing too tight yourself in most cases. After 150 hands you should have given him some idea that you don't need to be on QQ+ here.

On the J7 hand I'm potting the flop. Turn check-minraise is pretty ugly, but I'd call. I have a feeling he's going to bet small enough that I'd call the river too, but if he made a real bet on a river that didn't help I'd fold.

slimon · #**1214** 10-02-2007, 06:50 PM

Voluntarily Put Money Into the Pot: the fundamental indicator of a player's preflop looseness, and one of the best gauges of a player's hand range. At uNL, you want your opponents' VPIPs to be as large as possible. The more hands they play, the worse they are, and the more money you'll make against them.

Ok I understand what it is but how do tell if they are really loose or not compared to the amount of hands they play? Give me some examples of a loose player and a tight player. Thank you.

Josem · #**1215** 10-02-2007, 06:58 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Ok I understand what it is but how do tell if they are really loose or not compared to the amount of hands they play? Give me some examples of a loose player and a tight player. Thank you.

[/ QUOTE ]

Loose: 30% +

"Average": 20% - 30%

Tight: < 20%

That's for 6 max. They're just my perceptions, and fairly arbitrary.

If it counts for anything, when table selecting at Party $100NL, I datamine for a while, and only sit at tables with an average VPIP of over 30%.

slimon · #**1216** 10-02-2007, 07:02 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ok I understand what it is but how do tell if they are really loose or not compared to the amount of hands they play? Give me some examples of a loose player and a tight player. Thank you.

[/ QUOTE ]

Loose: 30% +

"Average": 20% - 30%

Tight: < 20%

That's for 6 max. They're just my perceptions, and fairly arbitrary.

If it counts for anything, when table selecting at Party $100NL, I datamine for a while, and only sit at tables with an average VPIP of over 30%.

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought it was just a number like how much money they put in say like 50 bucks or something. So if they played like 30 hands and put in like 30 bucks they are loose? How come the thread is so wide?

Josem · #**1217** 10-02-2007, 07:10 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I thought it was just a number like how much money they put in say like 50 bucks or something. So if they played like 30 hands and put in like 30 bucks they are loose? How come the thread is so wide?

[/ QUOTE ]

VPIP is a percentage (obviously out of 100)

Your tracking program will look at the x many hands that the player has played. It then counts the number of times that player has voluntarily put money into the pot - this is simply a question of frequency, not of how much.

It then takes the number of times a player has put money into the pot, and divides that by the number of hands played.

Eg, if a player has played 100 hands, and they have put money into the pot 25 times: 25/100 = 25%

GtrHtr · #**1218** 10-02-2007, 07:53 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Villain in this hand was 11/11/3.5 over 150 hands (all at said table).

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($25)
UTG ($29.60)
MP ($60.90)
CO ($25)
Hero ($40.35)
SB ($9.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, UTG raises to $10.2, Scuba Chuck has requested TIME ...and folds.

Final Pot: $6.35

[/ QUOTE ]

omg, don't fold, reshove!!

GtrHtr · #**1219** 10-02-2007, 07:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Villain was like 25/11/1 over about 90 hands.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($47.05)
UTG ($25)
MP ($27.80)
Hero ($34.45)
SB ($9.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.10) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB raises to $8, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

call the turn, call the river unless its like the Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or pairs the board not in ur favor, i.e. a 7.

slimon · #**1220** 10-02-2007, 08:35 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I thought it was just a number like how much money they put in say like 50 bucks or something. So if they played like 30 hands and put in like 30 bucks they are loose? How come the thread is so wide?

[/ QUOTE ]

VPIP is a percentage (obviously out of 100)

Your tracking program will look at the x many hands that the player has played. It then counts the number of times that player has voluntarily put money into the pot - this is simply a question of frequency, not of how much.

It then takes the number of times a player has put money into the pot, and divides that by the number of hands played.

Eg, if a player has played 100 hands, and they have put money into the pot 25 times: 25/100 = 25%

[/ QUOTE ]

How many hands the opponent has to play before I can start using them to tell if they are loose or not?
Josem you are awesome =0.

View Poll Results: who likes
check/call	1	8.33%
bet/call	5	41.67%
bet/3b	5	41.67%
check/raise	1	8.33%
bet/fold (NITS)	0	0%
Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll