Official April Thread: General Discussion/etc

[Reef]

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Um a lot of the people complaining about downswings in this thread have been playing straight up awful poker.

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lol if you think you could play your A game after breaking even for 90 something K hands

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Guess its not a downswing then.

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it's more complicated. You can feel like you're playing tilt-free and good poker , but your confidence / creativity / instincts are just dulled just and you cant really do anything about it.

[ddubois]

To change the subject to upswings: I just won 3k in 45 mins playing 2/4 and 3/6.

Playing bad too: semibluffing guys who call a pfr/bet/3bet with TPNK, giving a free turn to a gutshot than filling up my turned two pair, bet/calling a river shove with a straight on a paired board, potting instead of shoving the nuts versus second nuts, flop checking AA to QQ letting him pot control once and check through river 4 straight to avoid stacking off, etc.

[Bukem_]

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Um a lot of the people complaining about downswings in this thread have been playing straight up awful poker.

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lol if you think you could play your A game after breaking even for 90 something K hands

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Guess its not a downswing then.

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it's more complicated. You can feel like you're playing tilt-free and good poker , but your confidence / creativity / instincts are just dulled just and you cant really do anything about it.

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Plus people know you aren't winning and come after you. Ability to make plays that would work with a good image goes out the window.

Probably one of my biggest tilt issues is playing long sessions with a horrible image, even if I'm not officially tilting yet.

Sure I'm not the only one.

[jalexand42]

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well, at least if you hire MDMA...


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Plus, it's fun to listen to him berate donkeys using $5 words.

[aejones]

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

aejizzle ($1371.80)
Button ($610.70)

Preflop: aejizzle is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $4.
<font color="#CC3333">aejizzle raises to $10</font>, Button (poster) calls $8.

Flop: ($22) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Button checks, <font color="#CC3333">aejizzle bets $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $32</font>, aejizzle calls $16.

Turn: ($86) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Button bets $48</font>, <font color="#CC3333">aejizzle raises to $180</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $566.7 (All-In)</font>, aejizzle calls $386.70.

River: ($1219.40) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
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Final Pot: $1219.40

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
aejizzle has 9h 7h (straight, nine high).
Button has 6s 6h (full house, sixes full of queens).
Outcome: Button wins $1219.40. </font>

And then, aejones theorem ftw:

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

aejizzle ($1571.70)
Button ($419.50)

Preflop: aejizzle is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $4.
<font color="#CC3333">aejizzle raises to $10</font>, Button (poster) calls $8.

Flop: ($22) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Button checks, <font color="#CC3333">aejizzle bets $16</font>, Button calls $16.

Turn: ($54) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Button checks, aejizzle checks.

River: ($54) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Button bets $32</font>, aejizzle calls $32.

Final Pot: $118

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
aejizzle has 4h 4c (two pair, fours and twos).
Button has 5c 7c (one pair, twos).
Outcome: aejizzle wins $118. </font>

The aejones theorem, used with correct application, is known to win money:

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

aejizzle ($1172.75)
BB ($402)

Preflop: aejizzle is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. aejizzle posts a blind of $4.
<font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">aejizzle (poster) raises to $36</font>, BB calls $24.

Flop: ($70) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">aejizzle bets $48</font>, BB calls $48.

Turn: ($166) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
aejizzle checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $92</font>, aejizzle calls $92.

River: ($350) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
aejizzle checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: $350

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Jd Kh (high card, king).
aejizzle has 3s 3h (one pair, threes).
Outcome: aejizzle wins $350. </font>

The aejones theorem:

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

aejizzle ($400)
BB ($945)

Preflop: aejizzle is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. aejizzle posts a blind of $4.
<font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">aejizzle (poster) raises to $36</font>, BB calls $24.

Flop: ($70) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">aejizzle bets $48</font>, BB calls $48.

Turn: ($166) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
aejizzle checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $124</font>, <font color="#CC3333">aejizzle raises to $316 (All-In)</font>, BB calls $192.

River: ($798) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
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Final Pot: $798

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 4h Ad (one pair, nines).
aejizzle has 8c 9s (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: aejizzle wins $798. </font>

More standard than aejones theorem, but srsly what a sick hold:

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

aejizzle ($780.50)
Button ($398)

Preflop: aejizzle is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $4.
<font color="#CC3333">aejizzle raises to $10</font>, Button (poster) calls $8.

Flop: ($22) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Button checks, <font color="#CC3333">aejizzle bets $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $48</font>, <font color="#CC3333">aejizzle raises to $142</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $434 (All-In)</font>, aejizzle calls $244.

Turn: ($842) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
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River: ($842) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $842

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
aejizzle has Ts Td (one pair, tens).
Button has Kh Ac (high card, ace).
Outcome: aejizzle wins $842. </font>

aeeejoooooooonnnneeeeeeesssssssss theeeeeeeeeeeorem:

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

aejizzle ($1437)
Button ($619.50)

Preflop: aejizzle is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $6.
<font color="#CC3333">aejizzle raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button (poster) raises to $54</font>, aejizzle calls $36.

Flop: ($105) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Button checks, <font color="#CC3333">aejizzle bets $60</font>, Button calls $60.

Turn: ($225) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Button checks, aejizzle checks.

River: ($225) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Button bets $165</font>, aejizzle calls $165.

Final Pot: $555

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
aejizzle has 5d 5c (three of a kind, fives).
Button has Ac Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: aejizzle wins $555. </font>

ship ship mcgipp

[aejones]

BTW guys I'm the mayor of valuetown, or, at least I am when playing HU vs bad players.

[WiltOnTilt]

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"Someday you will run worse than you ever thought possible"

Can't remember who originally said it, but it's oh-so-true.

I'm currently down a couple buyins after 100k hands.

KoW

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geshhhhhh you play pretty good, but yeah I am not quite on a 100k downswing but I very well could be if [censored] doesnt change at 5/10.

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Thanks snake... it's not much fun to say the least, especially when I've been trying to take more shots at 10/20 heh.

[DJ Sensei]

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you should know that 95K breakeven hand streaks are possible for a winning player .. also we've seen graphs from HEK and equal demonstrating this.

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Possible, not likely

If I was down 20 BI in my last 50k hands I couldn't imagine being as ignorant as you.

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"Someday you will run worse than you ever thought possible"

Can't remember who originally said it, but it's oh-so-true.

I'm currently down a couple buyins after 100k hands.

KoW

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Think that was DJ Sensei.

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I dont think i was the one who said it first, but i do believe it.

I think i've had several 10 buyin downswings while playing well, and a 20 buyin one that probably involved bad play.

the thing thats really important is how big your edge is. if you have a small edge you can have huge swings, if you have a big edge you wont.

[JKratzer]

reef - from what i've seen of you at the stars 3/6 games lately you haven't been playing well. if you want to get out of this current "downswing" i suggest dropping a level or two to get your game back.

[snakekilla88]

whats reefs name on stars/ft?