Does Pokerstars have the right to take money out of my account?

[El_Hombre_Grande]

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Really the point isn't the money which isn't his and he should let it just go. The point is that PS played with his funds without asking him. I'm gonna go find the other thread where FTP refused to touch funds in a mistaken transfer situation much like this one. Guy was beatching the exact opposite -- demanding FTP go get the dough.

Casino apparently can't win in this situation -- wow that's a first...

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i honestly dont give a bloody [censored] about a thousand bucks..thats money spend in a few hours in some cases..its the principle behind all these i am insisting on
i would appreciate if you could find that thread..

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What principle? The "somebody accidentally tranfered a grand to my account momentarily and I'm such a prick I actually think I have a moral or legal right to the cash" principle?

[El_Hombre_Grande]

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me v the world...

I love it, I always have and always will!

what is life without challenges?..

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Yeah. Great. You find yourself as the most morally and ethically lacking individual in the debate.

Good for you. You should go far.

[Rzitup]

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I think that $1000 means alot more to you than you lead on. It is ridiculous for you to even entertain suing PS over money that isn't even yours. Grow up - you lost - deal with it

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suing ps for $1000, you are right thats ridiculous..suing a company that supposedly keeps secure accounts for its customers but can withdraw your funds whenever they feel like a "mistake" was made is a bit more logical dont you think...anyway...i am getting a bit tired of this debate...i feel like we are off the subject a bit and i am countering people who believe i am [censored] and after $1000...
it was good getting a general view on this matter but i believe it is getting out of class...tc people...

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TheEye, I can assure of one thing...threats of legal action aren't going to get PS to give you free money. I guarantee there are people sitting in PS office laughing at you right now.

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o/u on how long before OP becomes a full blown scammer?

[jason6633]

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o/u on how long before OP becomes a full blown scammer?

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As soon as this thread gets his post count high enough to ask for money sent first in the person to person transfer thread.

[Assani Fisher]

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OP, this is from Pokerstars Terms & Conditions, an agreement that you signed and is binding:

"3. AUTHORITY. PokerStars retains authority over the issuing, maintenance, and closing of Users' accounts at PokerStars. The decision of PokerStars' management, as regards any aspect of a User's account, use of the Service, or dispute resolution, is final and shall not be open to review or appeal."

Your witness.

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wow...and do you believe that generic condition(issuing, maintenance, and closing of accounts) enables ps to take money out of anyones account as they wish?...then I would say ps is untouchable...if anything goes wrong in the future with the company then they could just confescate all players account money and the shareholders would become all billionaires covered by law with the condition you just posted above...why not just donate them our money instead?...

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Yes, that generic condition does enable them to do just that. They could take everyone's money and we would have no legal recourse. What stops them from doing that is that they make more money by running a legit business.

[Assani Fisher]

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TheEye,

If PokerStars had let you keep the money and if the guy came to you and told you that it was an honest mistake and gave you the name of the person he was trying to send it to, would you have given the money back?

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irrelevant...this is not about me c*nting off someones money

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Regardless of its relevance, can you just answer the question?

[Assani Fisher]

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Full Tilt has the opposite policy here.

This isn't as clear an issue as everyone is saying. Otherwise, I could offer to trade someone stars $s for FT $s and then after receiving the FT $s e-mail stars and say it was a mistake.

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No, you couldn't. Did you read the post from the Stars rep here? They only reroute the money if a spelling or obvious error was made.

Example:
You want to send money to "Rounders1", send it to "Rounders" by mistake. They will transfer money to "Rounders1" NOT BACK TO YOU.

You want to send money to "JoeyKnish", but send it to "Rounders" by mistake. This transaction will not be reversed.

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although i never transferred money to anyone through ps i also read that you have to choose the persons city or something when completing the transfer hence it was not just the case of an extra number after ther *username*
+i dont belive the transfer was intended to someone that has the same username as me with a number or letter addition addition at the end

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Who cares what you believe? Pokerstars has the records, so if you took this to court, they could just show their transaction records and you'd have no case here. It's not like the original sender had buyer's remorse, he couldn't get the money back anyway.

You have no case. It's called "undo enrichment", you were never entitled to that money and have no claim to it.

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dude...let me make this clear again...i am not claiming anyones money...i am protesting that pokerstars withdrew money from my account without my consent

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We get that. And then it was pointed out to you that their T&C say they're allowed to do that. And you responded by saying "Well if they could do that then they could just steal from anyone they wanted", which really had nothing to do with the issue since they weren't just randomly taking money from you, but rather they were looking at a series of events and making a logical decision to the best of their abilities.

[Josem]

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Firstly, did you actually take time to read the article you are refering to before deciding what is the norm and what not?

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Yes.

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", it is now common practice for banks, when alerted that funds have mistakenly been sent to the wrong account, to notify the recipient of the error and request the return of the funds."

Now, as I and anyone with a fraction of a brain makes from the above quotation "a bank has to notify the recipient of the error and request the return of the funds"

Which part of the fact that pokerstars never notified me to request for the money back, but on the contrary they notified me of the error and have automatically removed the funds from my account without me having a say dont you understand?

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Mate,

You clearly are not listening to anyone, but we do actually read what you write. Unlike you, considering both sides of the issue is not alien to me.

You claimed in your OP:
"5 minutes later i receive an email from pokerstars saying that, the transfer was a mistake and was intented for another player with a similar username."

This is self-evidently a notification of the recipient of the error and a request of the return of the funds.

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However, as much as I tried to find something that might back their claim in their terms & conditions I couldnt find anything relevant and even after requesting from pokerstars to direct me to the t&s I agreed with them when signing up to play on their site stating the above, a ps supervisor responded with the following:

"The fact of the matter is, you received funds from someone with whom you
have no relation. The funds were intended for another party. While there
is no posted policy regarding mistakenly transferred funds we will act in
situations where an error was clearly committed."

Hence ps does not or at least did not have such a policy in place when I agreed to play on their site.

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If you come into my shop, and I mistakenly give you the wrong change, it is reasonable to correct the error.

If your postal service delivers a letter to the wrong address, it is reasonable to correct the error.

If your bank makes an error in your bank account, it is reasonable to correct the error.

If PokerStars makes an error in your poker account, it is reasonable to correct the error.

It is so rediculous to claim that you have been wronged in this situation that it seems that we have no frame of reference to hold here.

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Have pokerstars acted without authorisation on this matter: yes.

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This is simply wrong - they have been authorised by:
a) the person who sent the money to the wrong account
b) their rules of service
c) basic common sense

They have not been authorised by you - but it is obviously my contention (and the contention of everyone else in this thread) that this is not needed.

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Am I elgible to pursue this matter legally? imo and others yes.

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What Isle of Man law gives you this standing?

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Will i do so? probably, after a thorough examination of this case from qualified people.

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lol

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and please the next person who claims has knowledge of this situation, take some time to revise it before posting your useless comment and calling people names.

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You claim that you were not notified; but your OP claims you were notified.

Don't me such a moron.

[Oatmeal]

This thread should be a lesson to all... If money shows up into your account get it in play ASAP and try to double it.