russia is shutting down allofmp3 to join the world trade organization

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If you disagree with me, do so logically.

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start here

[kipin]

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I personally have no problem going to concerts and supporting an artist that way, but I will not, ever, buy another CD put out by the big 5 recording studios.

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yeah and i'm sure it's just because of the studios and not your desire to have free music. you are this much of an "activist" and you don't mind lining ticketmaster's pockets?

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When one has the option of not going through ticketmaster and not getting a ticket, or going through ticketmaster paying some ridiculous service fee (The last ticket I bought via TM included a $15 service fee on a $55 ticket) I will choose the ticket.

I have no problem with TM making a profit, but there are other ticketing agencies (tickets.com, instantseats.com, etc.) which will force them to compete on price and that is always good for the consumer. If ticketmaster wants to compete against these services they will have to lower their prices in the long run, or face extinction.

[El Diablo]

kipin, RJ:

We've all had this argument before. It comes down to whether or not you believe people have a right to be compensated for information and intellectual property they create or not.

How about books, kipin? What do you think would happen to books if everything that was published was available to everyone for free? Let's fast-forward technologically a few years to a time when you can download anything of a computer screen onto some sort of electronic paper if you so desire.

People invest a lot of money in creating content. If you don't believe the price they are charging for that content is fair, just like you decided not to buy that $10m fridge, don't buy the overpriced music. And go support independent content producers who are willing to give away their music in exchange for whatever you feel is appropriate to donate. But to say that you want the end products of the investment put into creating content without paying any of the price and acting like this is perfectly fine doesn't make sense.

[Cry Me A River]

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try that one out in court

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Please tell us exactly how many times the RIAA or MPAA has charged any downloaders with "theft".

http://news.com.com/2100-1023_3-5072564.html

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The Recording Industry Association of America said it has filed 261 lawsuits against alleged file swappers Monday, charging the computer users with "egregious" copyright infringement potentially worth millions of dollars.

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Funny, I don't see the word "theft" in there anywhere.

[El Diablo]

Dominic,

I'm really surprised by this from you.

You hire some girls, camera guys, etc and produce a porno.

One guy buys your porno and then puts it out on the web somewhere and everyone else downloads it for free, since they've already paid a lot for porn in the past.

You would be cool with that?

[Evan]

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Wow, you really think stealing music is not objectively wrong?


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Why do you feel your position is so weak that you need to redefine words like "stealing" to suit your own ends and make your case seem more important?

Doublespeak only works for big brother. Music is doubleplusgood!

Unauthorised downloading of songs is a violation of copyright law. These are completely different sections of criminal and civil law than theft. You might as well call what this thread is about "Assault" or "Polution" or "Terrorism".

"Stealing music" is a ridulous statement. How can you steal a sound? Do waves travelling freely though the air belong to anyone (I suppose the radio, tv, cell phone and sattelite industries would argue with me on that one - Doesn't make then any less wrong)? Do you even know what the word "steal" means? It's like "stealing sunshine".

If I walk up to someone and take a CD from them, that might be stretch to say I'm "stealing music" though in reality I'm "stealing a CD".

Copying is not stealing any more than war is peace.

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Okay this post is a little crazy, but I didn't mean to change definitions of words. How about instead of stealing I say "taking something that someone owns and does not want to give away for free without paying them"? I'm not a lawyer and I don't want to argue about proper terminology, but would you with what's in quotes as an accurate description?

[kipin]

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rhapsody is the best by far, and i don't have any issues similar to what ribsauce described. it is so much better when paired with the e200r player though.

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Why should I be forced to purchase some special player so I can enjoy the service better? Wouldn't the whole system work out better for everyone if there was an existing technology that could be universally played on nearly every media device?

Oh wait, there is, its called mp3's but the studios can't license the songs to you using this technology. The media companies love this because if you never own something that you can do what you want with, they make more profits by selling you multiple licenses to something that you have already purchased. This is why I hate the RIAA and refuse to buy any CD's put out by the 5 media companies involved with the RIAA.

[Brainwalter]

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How about books, kipin? What do you think would happen to books if everything that was published was available to everyone for free?

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NOOOOOOOOOOO

[Aloysius]

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People invest a lot of money in creating content. If you don't believe the price they are charging for that content is fair, just like you decided not to buy that $10m fridge, don't buy the overpriced music. And go support independent content producers who are willing to give away their music in exchange for whatever you feel is appropriate to donate. But to say that you want the end products of the investment put into creating content without paying any of the price and acting like this is perfectly fine doesn't make sense.

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This is why I brought up the "how about TV series or movies" question earlier in this thread.

Perhaps... the costs / investment on the parts of studios are more tangible to see in a $200M movie than recording an album ... so one can see how 1) this is a business marketplace where the creators and distributors of content can charge whatever the f they want to and 2) that the initial investment wouldn't be made if there was no compensation, hence, you as a consumer would not be getting any content if it were at-cost or free from a "big media" company.

-Al

[kipin]

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I say, "information doesn't want to be free". prove me wrong.

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Information is the key to knowledge and enlightenment.

Information is the key to human evolution and invention.

If you were a scientist, wouldn't you want open access to all the information other scientists have put into researching something about our world so you can build upon their work and make things better?

In this sense information wants to be free. It wants to escape, and tell as many people as possible so people can go about researching and creating new ideas for how the world works.