Caesar's Palace- Player went all in and ran away with $ after I called

[MicroBob]

I had assumed you have already talked with somebody reasonably high up. But there's always somebody higher (or at least 'lateral') so perhaps give it a shot.

Perhaps whine that you had $1200 stolen from you right in front of their noses AND you now hav to spend all this time and effort trying to get it back and all they are offering is a dinner-comp?

Emphasize that he just grabbed his money back RIGHT UNDER THEIR NOSES and with the dealer watching. Money that he had already committed to the pot.


As others have pointed-out, it's kind of a tough sell because he had never pushed it forward and because the dealer can't be expected to leap across the table in a millisecond and block-off anyone who makes an attempt to do this.



as far as calling the arresting officer...you can't talk to someone else at the station about it?
Is he still in jail, awaiting bail, what??
Surely you have the right to find out basic stuff like that.

[PLOlover]

Does anyone know whether it makes a difference whether it's cash or house chips? Like casino chips are technically the property of the casino and therefore the casino can impound them in the event of any dispute, etc., but obviously they cannot impound cash just like they cannot impound or inspect a patron's shoes.

I mean, technically, a casino could have a policy that all chips must remain on property, no chips could be taken off property, right? With RFID technology this is totally doable, and I think higher denomination chips already have this technology.

[Lottery Larry]

Well, I bet you'll never act out of turn again.

I would have thought that the dealer should have gotten the money in the pot before action occurred for the other players, but since it's traditional in NL not to put it in when no one calls, you're kind of in a tough spot.

Definately press charges IMO. Screw the angle shooter.

[NoMoreLurking]

Probably legally Caesars is not obligated to give the OP anything. BUT...

- morally, ethically (whatever you want to call it) they have a duty to run the game and protect the integrity of the game. THAT is why we pay the rake, not just to rent space. Otherwise there would never be rulings by the floor, they wouldn't be running the game just renting space.

- there was an implied verbal contract (I'm sure NOT legally enforceable) when Caesars told the OP to wait and they would "take care of it". He wanted to stop JR from "robbing" him (common sense term, not legalese).

- From a P.R. standpoint Caesars is saying "Come play here, if someone is attemping to rob you while here, we will do our best to calm you down and gather witness statements. (and maybe give you a buffet comp the next day)" WOO!! HOO!! That sure inspires customer confidence and loyalty.

[magoo]

Another angle: If it is a criminal situation and the perp is charged with "robbery". The money is confiscated and held as evidence. Upon completion of trial, victim applies for his money, or judge orders money returned to victim. No civil suit involved.

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Probably legally Caesars is not obligated to give the OP anything. BUT...

- morally, ethically (whatever you want to call it) they have a duty to run the game and protect the integrity of the game. THAT is why we pay the rake, not just to rent space. Otherwise there would never be rulings by the floor, they wouldn't be running the game just renting space.

- there was an implied verbal contract (I'm sure NOT legally enforceable) when Caesars told the OP to wait and they would "take care of it". He wanted to stop JR from "robbing" him (common sense term, not legalese).

- From a P.R. standpoint Caesars is saying "Come play here, if someone is attemping to rob you while here, we will do our best to calm you down and gather witness statements. (and maybe give you a buffet comp the next day)" WOO!! HOO!! That sure inspires customer confidence and loyalty.

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[TwoOuter]

While I don't think Caesars is legally obligated to compensate, if I were in charge I'd privately apologize and offer a couple nights room and buffet comps.

It's just my opinion that these kinds of situations arise so rarely that I doubt this puts Harrahs in danger of going bankrupt by people who try to take advantage.

I'd also call a meeting with the dealers and explain how future all-in bets should be handled to reduce the risk of this happening again.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I am very suprised the casino went as far as they did to help you and I am also suprised that gaming would shose to charge him with anything in this case. I have mentioned elsewhere on this board that the money needs to go into the pot. He siad he is putting you all in; that is binding for poker, but who knows what a jury would say. If he is charged adn this thing goes to trial they are going to see a video tape of him not putting a thing in the pot and then throwing his cards in the muck. I would be very suprised if a prosecutor decides to prosecute this case.

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Because of the problems with verbal declarations being denied, misheard, misunderstood and so on I like what Ocean's 11 is doing. Each player has a coffee cup diameter disc with "all-in" written on it; the player can either put all his chips in or throw in this disc. In my four recent visits there I haven't seen or heard any problems with this.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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[Rick Nebiolo]

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I remember stories like this from AC and California casinos, none of the casinos can force the money into the middle, one story I remember that was posted on here happened at the Bike this summer if I remember right.

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Here's a link to my post in the Bike story. Cliff notes version is everything turned out OK.

~ Rick

[gusmahler]

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Well, I bet you'll never act out of turn again.

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Sounds like the acting out of turn had absolutely nothing to do with the final result.

As I read the story, OP bet on the turn. Villain raised all-in. OP called. Dealer said it was up to seat 9. Villain then mucked and seat 9 folded. Villain tried to leave the table.