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#111
11-12-2005, 09:02 PM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is all unscientific. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] But just because you can't figure out a good methodology, this is not a reason to just throw up your hands and give up. Every time I sit down at the poker table I perform an unscientific study, if a guy plays the first two hands I see like he has the nuts, I tentatively call him an LAG. In the real world, you can't just sit around waiting for perfect data. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I know that studies don't have to be scientific to be useful. The main reason I replied to your post the way you did, is because it is absolutely ridiculous to do what you proposed. DERB is obviously a real person, and it would be a huge waste of time to try to compile some data to show whether or not he is a bot. 
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#112
11-12-2005, 10:19 PM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
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Yes, I know that studies don't have to be scientific to be useful. The main reason I replied to your post the way you did, is because it is absolutely ridiculous to do what you proposed. DERB is obviously a real person, and it would be a huge waste of time to try to compile some data to show whether or not he is a bot. [/ QUOTE ] Huge waste of time??? It would take about 2 minutes using Pokertracker, if that. It's in the filter on the main page. I guess your time is more valuable than mine. I tend to agree that DERB is probably a real person. However, mine was one of the few posts that actually suggested analyzing one of the hypotheses that have been made. If it doesn't come in useful for DERB, it may come in handy when some other player is in question. These boards have had multiple discussions about bots and nobody ever says anything useful. I tend to withhold saying anything useful, as well, because all I'd get in return is snide comments. On 2+2, it seems, the only way out of this box is to post one's winrate, IQ, and/or GRE scores. Luckily I'm going to be away from the Internet for the next week...
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#113
11-12-2005, 10:29 PM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
Your post was fine. The boards are just too cluttered for very many "nice post" replies, so you are only going to see criticisms. If you think a criticism missed the mark, don't take it personally.
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#114
11-12-2005, 10:43 PM
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Re: DERB is...based on Izmet Fekali Email
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[ QUOTE ] If DERB were a bot, his play would most likely get worse as more players entered the pot. It might be interesting for someone with a lot of hands on him with Pokertracker should check his results with 2,3,4,5,6 players seeing the flop, and compare it with other players of his winrate, and separately compare with other players with the same VPIP/Aggression, even if the latter are losing players. It would be very interesting if losing players play better than DERB multiway. If there are no good comparisons to be made for winrate, examining AA, KK, QQ, JJ multiway hands that see showdown may be interesting. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is all unscientific. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Is DERB the next phase of our Intelligent Designer's plan? -Ash
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#115
11-12-2005, 10:44 PM
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Re: The Ljubljana Conspiracy.
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This thread IS awesome! [/ QUOTE ]
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#116
11-13-2005, 01:31 AM
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Re: The Ljubljana Conspiracy.
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When Prock was in Ljubljana twice earlier this year he didnt mention visiting any parties mentioned in this thread. [/ QUOTE ] Apart from at least 2. Abdul and izmet.
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#117
11-14-2005, 07:46 AM
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Re: The Ljubljana Conspiracy.
ive noticed something playing against DERB that sort of contradicts the belief that he is a winner because of meta-effects, from what ive seen, DERB likes to slowplay when he flops a monster like a flush or a set, he will bet/call or check/call the flop and wait till the turn to get aggressive, i havent played many hands with him, so i dont know how often he does it, but almost every time hes flopped a monster against me, he waits till the turn, i dont see how meta-effects can really help him that much if he dosent jam the flop with his good hands right?
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#118
11-14-2005, 07:53 AM
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Re: The Ljubljana Conspiracy.
Hi newhizzle:
You may be right in the sense that this may not be the way to maximize his profit on these hands, but he should still make a pretty good profit on them. Also, they don't occur very often. So you're looking at a difference that may not be that great that only happens on occasion. So, assuming that you are correct, this should not impact Derb's long run results very much. Best wishes, Mason
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#119
11-14-2005, 08:41 AM
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Re: The Ljubljana Conspiracy.
hi mason,
the reason i pointed this out is because i think a lot of people believe that the way that DERB makes up lost bets where he jams the flop with bad hands is by playing good hands the same way and getting played back at by people who think he is either FOS or on some kind of draw, but if he dosent get full value on these hands, then where does he make up these lost bets and where do his extra profits come from, just fold equity?
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#120
11-14-2005, 08:48 AM
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Re: The Ljubljana Conspiracy.
Also, he sometimes waits for the turn to raise with top/middle pair. Waiting for the turn to raise with both medium and high strength hands balances his common turn semi-bluffs. This part of his game seems designed to exploit "robotic" ABC type players who are raising preflop, and then auto-betting the flop/turn when HU, but folding often to turn check-raises.
He seems to be exploiting the fact that these ABC-TAGs are often putting too much in the pot with the worst hand postflop, but conversely is also exploiting fold equity on the turn. This analysis is based on an extremely limited number of hands, so please be circumspect.
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