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check/call 1 8.33%
bet/call 5 41.67%
bet/3b 5 41.67%
check/raise 1 8.33%
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  #1161  
Old 09-30-2007, 06:08 PM
dipstikdave dipstikdave is offline
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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $325.40
CO: $193.30
BTN: $98
SB: $144.60
BB: $40

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($29.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $21</font>, CO calls $21

Turn: ($71.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $51</font>, CO calls $51

River: ($173.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ?

villain has been 3betting me a lot lot lot. this is the first time i have called a 3bet. earlier i 4bet him, he called and folded to my bet on the flop.

i really want thoughts on the entire hand.

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i don't see anything wrong with your line. you have little fe on the river, so i'd c/f.
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  #1162  
Old 09-30-2007, 06:33 PM
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i always have trouble with shorty all in and others in the pot....bb is unknown mp2 is lag

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($24.20)
MP2 ($32.50)
CO ($8.40)
Button ($3.55)
SB ($7)
BB ($3.60)
UTG ($50.70)
UTG+1 ($15.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3.6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $11</font>, MP2 calls $10.

Flop: ($25.70) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $13.2 (All-In)</font>,

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played fine, gl in your coinflip
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $325.40
CO: $193.30
BTN: $98
SB: $144.60
BB: $40

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($29.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $21</font>, CO calls $21

Turn: ($71.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $51</font>, CO calls $51

River: ($173.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ?

villain has been 3betting me a lot lot lot. this is the first time i have called a 3bet. earlier i 4bet him, he called and folded to my bet on the flop.

i really want thoughts on the entire hand.

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i like the flop, if he did raise its hard for him to call 200BBs w/ 1 pair. turn i would check and expect him to check his overpair behind always and then c/f or v-bet river depending on whether you hit or not. c/f this one
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  #1164  
Old 09-30-2007, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $325.40
CO: $193.30
BTN: $98
SB: $144.60
BB: $40

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($29.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $21</font>, CO calls $21

Turn: ($71.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $51</font>, CO calls $51

River: ($173.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ?

villain has been 3betting me a lot lot lot. this is the first time i have called a 3bet. earlier i 4bet him, he called and folded to my bet on the flop.

i really want thoughts on the entire hand.

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i like the flop, if he did raise its hard for him to call 200BBs w/ 1 pair. turn i would check and expect him to check his overpair behind always and then c/f or v-bet river depending on whether you hit or not. c/f this one

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villain seemed kind of weak tight post flop from what i had seen, so i thought i could get him to fold some higher FD's/overcards/random PP's with a 2nd barrel
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  #1165  
Old 09-30-2007, 06:52 PM
dipstikdave dipstikdave is offline
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $325.40
CO: $193.30
BTN: $98
SB: $144.60
BB: $40

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($29.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $21</font>, CO calls $21

Turn: ($71.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $51</font>, CO calls $51

River: ($173.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ?

villain has been 3betting me a lot lot lot. this is the first time i have called a 3bet. earlier i 4bet him, he called and folded to my bet on the flop.

i really want thoughts on the entire hand.

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i like the flop, if he did raise its hard for him to call 200BBs w/ 1 pair. turn i would check and expect him to check his overpair behind always and then c/f or v-bet river depending on whether you hit or not. c/f this one

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FD, i can see why checking the turn is good, but what makes you sure villain will check behind ?
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  #1166  
Old 09-30-2007, 06:59 PM
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $325.40
CO: $193.30
BTN: $98
SB: $144.60
BB: $40

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($29.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $21</font>, CO calls $21

Turn: ($71.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $51</font>, CO calls $51

River: ($173.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ?

villain has been 3betting me a lot lot lot. this is the first time i have called a 3bet. earlier i 4bet him, he called and folded to my bet on the flop.

i really want thoughts on the entire hand.

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i like the flop, if he did raise its hard for him to call 200BBs w/ 1 pair. turn i would check and expect him to check his overpair behind always and then c/f or v-bet river depending on whether you hit or not. c/f this one

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FD, i can see why checking the turn is good, but what makes you sure villain will check behind ?

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stack depth makes people play really weak-tight esp. unknowns at .5/1. if he bets this turn after the flop call i would put him on pretty much QQ or QdXd .
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  #1167  
Old 09-30-2007, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

how much value is there in betting the turn
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:05 PM
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i dont see much at all. considering you donked the flop he cant really see the Q as much of a scare card.
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Old 09-30-2007, 08:00 PM
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i always have trouble with shorty all in and others in the pot....bb is unknown mp2 is lag

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($24.20)
MP2 ($32.50)
CO ($8.40)
Button ($3.55)
SB ($7)
BB ($3.60)
UTG ($50.70)
UTG+1 ($15.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3.6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $11</font>, MP2 calls $10.

Flop: ($25.70) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $13.2 (All-In)</font>,

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played fine, gl in your coinflip

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thanks. pf question: at what point do you consider pushing? my 4bet is over 40% of my stack in this case.
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:01 PM
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i always have trouble with shorty all in and others in the pot....bb is unknown mp2 is lag

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($24.20)
MP2 ($32.50)
CO ($8.40)
Button ($3.55)
SB ($7)
BB ($3.60)
UTG ($50.70)
UTG+1 ($15.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3.6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $11</font>, MP2 calls $10.

Flop: ($25.70) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $13.2 (All-In)</font>,

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played fine, gl in your coinflip

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thanks. pf question: at what point do you consider pushing? my 4bet is over 40% of my stack in this case.

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i usually just push in that spot but in this hand its fine not too since he was extemely short.
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