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Old 09-04-2007, 01:37 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: The Science of Global Warming - Settled Once and for All

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Thanks for the link.

Right on their front page, I found a link to the following article....

This article suggests that skeptics feel there is a real bias against their ideas in the "peer reviewed" world.

It is suspicious to me that a study which is so easily reproducable, but suggests something politically unpopular among the true believers in the science community would be rejected for publication. These guys didn't even bother with the peer review process because they knew before hand what the result would be. That is, censorship.

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One may as easily replace "global warming skeptic" with "Flat Earther" in this post and get the same result.
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Old 09-04-2007, 02:26 PM
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Thanks for the link.

Right on their front page, I found a link to the following article....

This article suggests that skeptics feel there is a real bias against their ideas in the "peer reviewed" world.

It is suspicious to me that a study which is so easily reproducable, but suggests something politically unpopular among the true believers in the science community would be rejected for publication. These guys didn't even bother with the peer review process because they knew before hand what the result would be. That is, censorship.

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One may as easily replace "global warming skeptic" with "Flat Earther" in this post and get the same result.

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If there were actually a body of scientists whose scientific studies proving the Earth is flat was out there starting up their own scientific journals, you may have a point.

As it stands, your statement is a strawman type argument.
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Old 09-04-2007, 03:09 PM
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Default The Tide Is Turning...

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One may as easily replace "global warming skeptic" with "Flat Earther" in this post and get the same result.

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The flat earthers can easily be discredited with a compass and a ship. Not that anyone cares enough to show them they are wrong...

The MCGW cult has nothing of substance.....certainly not science. They do have massive govt funding and good PR coverage in the press. Which for many years was stronger than having science on their side. Thankfully....the tide is turning and the MCGW cultists are getting scutinized and exposed for their unsupported and outrageous claims.
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Old 09-04-2007, 06:03 PM
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On top of that most (but not all) NWS stations are made in cool parks

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According to NWS almost all it's stations in Arizona are at airports !

Meteorological Station Information Lookup

Maybe I looked in the wrong place for that infomation too.

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I hope you realize that airports don't have very many buildings blocking the wind. Most of them also have large areas of grass.
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Old 09-04-2007, 06:07 PM
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Obviously you haven't read my location at anytime during the last year, my website, or a good fraction of my posts.

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Congratulations, you are guilty of the fallacy of the double standard. A Medical Doctor and an Anthropologist are not qualified to make determinations about published papers on MMGW, but you are. Your arguements are fast approaching the definition of dogma.

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I hope you realize that you are yelling at me for an argument somebody else made. One of my favorite scientists is James Croll who dropped out of school at the age of 16 and solved the mystery of the ice ages about 150 years ago. He was admitted to the royal society.
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Old 09-04-2007, 06:09 PM
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Thanks for the link.

Right on their front page, I found a link to the following article....

This article suggests that skeptics feel there is a real bias against their ideas in the "peer reviewed" world.

It is suspicious to me that a study which is so easily reproducable, but suggests something politically unpopular among the true believers in the science community would be rejected for publication. These guys didn't even bother with the peer review process because they knew before hand what the result would be. That is, censorship.

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One may as easily replace "global warming skeptic" with "Flat Earther" in this post and get the same result.

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If there were actually a body of scientists whose scientific studies proving the Earth is flat was out there starting up their own scientific journals, you may have a point.

As it stands, your statement is a strawman type argument.

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This logic makes my head hurt. Try googling discovery institute or tobacco funded think tanks.
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Old 09-04-2007, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: The Science of Global Warming - Settled Once and for All

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On top of that most (but not all) NWS stations are made in cool parks

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According to NWS almost all it's stations in Arizona are at airports !

Meteorological Station Information Lookup

Maybe I looked in the wrong place for that infomation too.

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I hope you realize that airports don't have very many buildings blocking the wind. Most of them also have large areas of grass.

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That's very interesting but all I was asking was the source of your information. You had called me out for using bad information. I justed wanted to know where I should go to find the correct information for the location of NWS stations. I sure that your quote "most (but not all) NWS stations are made in cool parks" must be correct but I need the source so that when I use it I can't be called an idiot for giving false information.
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Old 09-04-2007, 07:23 PM
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Default Re: The Science of Global Warming - Settled Once and for All

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Obviously you haven't read my location at anytime during the last year, my website, or a good fraction of my posts.

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Congratulations, you are guilty of the fallacy of the double standard. A Medical Doctor and an Anthropologist are not qualified to make determinations about published papers on MMGW, but you are. Your arguements are fast approaching the definition of dogma.

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I hope you realize that you are yelling at me for an argument somebody else made. One of my favorite scientists is James Croll who dropped out of school at the age of 16 and solved the mystery of the ice ages about 150 years ago. He was admitted to the royal society.

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Excuse me, but you were the one who linked to a source calling into question the qualifications of these men to conduct the study.

P.S. I admire your pretense in the spirit of wanting to seek out the truth. If you were to truely open your eyes, you'd see that you've been the willing dupe of slick political agenda that is manipulating the scientific community.
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Old 09-04-2007, 07:24 PM
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This logic makes my head hurt. Try googling discovery institute or tobacco funded think tanks.

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One more strawman doesn't make the arguement any less of a strawman. I've been double strawmanned, how bout that.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:56 PM
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Obviously you haven't read my location at anytime during the last year, my website, or a good fraction of my posts.

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Congratulations, you are guilty of the fallacy of the double standard. A Medical Doctor and an Anthropologist are not qualified to make determinations about published papers on MMGW, but you are. Your arguements are fast approaching the definition of dogma.

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I hope you realize that you are yelling at me for an argument somebody else made. One of my favorite scientists is James Croll who dropped out of school at the age of 16 and solved the mystery of the ice ages about 150 years ago. He was admitted to the royal society.

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Excuse me, but you were the one who linked to a source calling into question the qualifications of these men to conduct the study.

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I think you need to reread the link. Their lack of a related Ph.D. was merely a footnote.

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P.S. I admire your pretense in the spirit of wanting to seek out the truth. If you were to truely open your eyes, you'd see that you've been the willing dupe of slick political agenda that is manipulating the scientific community.

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So do you think the abstract I highlighted in red earlier (which calls for alternative energy and CO2 sequestration) debunks the consensus on global warming? If you don't think so then how can you possibly defend Benny Peiser?
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