More Bonds

[RedBean]

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redbean, thats it? aaron took one greenie? or is there more evidence and speculation out there?

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it seems you are criticizing aaron in the same way others criticize bonds. i cant take you seriously.

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I'm not criticizing Aaron at all. I have tremendous amount of admiration and respect for Hank. What I am bringing to light is that the sports media is quick to villify Bonds and insinuate he made and admission when he didn't and then conveniently fail to ever disclose in their glorification of Aaron in several articles in the last 5 years that he himself had admitted to using illegal substances.

I mean c'mon, the majority of people in this thread are JUST NOW learning that Aaron openly admitted to taking greenies 15 years ago.

[Victor]

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redbean, thats it? aaron took one greenie? or is there more evidence and speculation out there?

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it seems you are criticizing aaron in the same way others criticize bonds. i cant take you seriously.

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I'm not criticizing Aaron at all. I have tremendous amount of admiration and respect for Hank. What I am bringing to light is that the sports media is quick to villify Bonds and insinuate he made and admission when he didn't and then conveniently fail to ever disclose in their glorification of Aaron in several articles in the last 5 years that he himself had admitted to using illegal substances.

I mean c'mon, the majority of people in this thread are JUST NOW learning that Aaron openly admitted to taking greenies 15 years ago.

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very true but you did it again. you made it seem like aaron participated in ongoing greenie usage when the quote clearly states he only admitted to doing it once.

you are being disingenous, while railing against the disingenuity of the media etal.

[Thremp]

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redbean, thats it? aaron took one greenie? or is there more evidence and speculation out there?

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it seems you are criticizing aaron in the same way others criticize bonds. i cant take you seriously.

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I'm not criticizing Aaron at all. I have tremendous amount of admiration and respect for Hank. What I am bringing to light is that the sports media is quick to villify Bonds and insinuate he made and admission when he didn't and then conveniently fail to ever disclose in their glorification of Aaron in several articles in the last 5 years that he himself had admitted to using illegal substances.

I mean c'mon, the majority of people in this thread are JUST NOW learning that Aaron openly admitted to taking greenies 15 years ago.

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very true but you did it again. you made it seem like aaron participated in ongoing greenie usage when the quote clearly states he only admitted to doing it once.

you are being disingenous, while railing against the disingenuity of the media etal.

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Aaron saying he took one greenie strikes me as Mark saying he was just taking andro. Yeah, sure.

[THAY3R]

I always get annoyed at these threads and it's like "God damn not another [censored] Bonds thread."

Then Redbean completely destroys everyone using rational and logical arguments complete with facts and evidence and it's [censored] awesome.

[Victor]

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redbean, thats it? aaron took one greenie? or is there more evidence and speculation out there?

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it seems you are criticizing aaron in the same way others criticize bonds. i cant take you seriously.

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I'm not criticizing Aaron at all. I have tremendous amount of admiration and respect for Hank. What I am bringing to light is that the sports media is quick to villify Bonds and insinuate he made and admission when he didn't and then conveniently fail to ever disclose in their glorification of Aaron in several articles in the last 5 years that he himself had admitted to using illegal substances.

I mean c'mon, the majority of people in this thread are JUST NOW learning that Aaron openly admitted to taking greenies 15 years ago.

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very true but you did it again. you made it seem like aaron participated in ongoing greenie usage when the quote clearly states he only admitted to doing it once.

you are being disingenous, while railing against the disingenuity of the media etal.

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Aaron saying he took one greenie strikes me as Mark saying he was just taking andro. Yeah, sure.

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but you realize the bonds defenders are using the same defense.

i suppose im not wording it very well. ill try to spell it out.

aaron admits to using greenies one single time. you say, "lolol of course he used it more."

circumstantial evidence mounts that bonds roids and you guys revert to "well hes never been caught and didnt admit to anything." same with armstrong btw.

i dont know where i personally stand and havent researched enough but im just pointing out some credibility issues with redbean.

mebbe its nitpicking but whatever. if he woulda been completely forthright i would be like 90% on his side at this point bc his other arguements were pretty damn good. but, instead im about 50/50 which is far more than before i opened this thread.

[THAY3R]

I guess this needs to be repeated :

RedBean is not saying that he doesn't think Bonds does steroids. He is just noting the [censored] ridiculousness of the whole Bonds is an evil baby raper and Hammerin Hank is a saint thing.

[Thremp]

Victor,

Obv Bonds used roids, Ripken has a significant chance as well, Aaron popped greenies like a crackhead, Mark was on teh juice, Sosa as well, Roger... I mean it doesn't take a [censored] rocket scientist to figure this out. Just a little bit of thinking.

[Victor]

ok, well in that case, regardless of the steriod issue, i think bonds is huge [censored]. is that a complete media fabrication and conspiracy?

[THAY3R]

Well pretty much all the evidence of him being a huge [censored] is presented to you by the media.

[Gregatron]

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I always get annoyed at these threads and it's like "God damn not another [censored] Bonds thread."

Then Redbean completely destroys everyone using rational and logical arguments complete with facts and evidence and it's [censored] awesome.

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I would just like to see someone present the opposite argument as well. I'm not passionate enough about the issue to do so. In fact, I've always kind of liked Bonds, though suspected he used PED. (However, PED or no, he is very likely the greatest player ever, or at the very least in the top 5.)