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Old 07-31-2007, 09:57 PM
realjaydub realjaydub is offline
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Default Re: Breaking development: Pokerstars to be sued for cheating

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Yes, it's pretty stupid to ask for actual proof rather then some autoreponsed email that's been used to death.

Stupid or not, flinging insults is lame.

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So tell them you want definitive proof and post it all here. They'll do it, you know.

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Well, to be fair, I never played at pokerstars, but ftp and hollywood poker WOULD NOT. They would tell me about how they had their rng analyzed and poker is a game of luck.

Not once would they go over actual data.

Like I said, I'm not saying Poker stars is rigged or not.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:00 PM
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Yes, well PokerStars will send you every single hand you've played and you can figure out on your own if it's rigged by taking it to someone who can do the analysis.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:01 PM
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LOL of course MT2R is leveling everyone. His method is great though.

I'm also getting a feeling FGators is the man behind http://pokerconduct.com

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umm...if MT2R is leveling its a pretty damn extensive level. He posted the same thing in the LC FR thread about a week ago, much before this thread came along in response to a few posters saying that they were running legitimately terrible on a decent amount of AIs. I don't feel like looking for it, but its in there with a small discussion of it.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:01 PM
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Wait so can we get all of fgators' data and just dump it into a PT database

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Tell FGators to ask for it and to make all of his hand histories public, and yeah, it can be done. He has to release permission, of course.

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What would be the "norm" here after analyzing the data?

90% favorite on the flop losing 85% of the time?

Or 95% favorite on the turn losing 91% of the time?

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I'd tell you, but it's obvious you don't understand statistics and I'm not getting paid by PokerStars to educate you anymore. It's not worth my time.

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Another dinger. No, I'm not a statistics major but I understand numbers to a certain degree.

When I'm a 95% favorite to win a hand but lose 85% of the time....you don't need a mit degree to figure that it doesn't add up....

Err unless you have a green name here you will tell me how I don't understand "statistics". Good day sirs.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:03 PM
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Yes, well PokerStars will send you every single hand you've played and you can figure out on your own if it's rigged by taking it to someone who can do the analysis.

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I'm considering asking fgators to analyze mine. He is more likely to say things pleasing to my ears than others.

[x] ul, gg, wp.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:05 PM
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When I'm a 95% favorite to win a hand but lose 85% of the time....you don't need a mit degree to figure that it doesn't add up....

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So your top set loses to bottom set on the flop 85% of the time?

Please show your sample, or ban plz.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:05 PM
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if poker sites aren't rigged how come mike matusow loses so much?
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:06 PM
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Secondly, why would a poker site rig? It has no incentive. You can create all the conspiracy theories you want, but it has no incentive.

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There's plenty of incentive.

A - If the fish win on Stars more than they're supposed to, they will continue playing and won't leave because they can't win consistently anywhere else.

B - By leveling off the skill difference between the good and bad players, they keep the sharks from stockpiling all the money in their community and keep everyone paying rake consistently.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:07 PM
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When I'm a 95% favorite to win a hand but lose 85% of the time....you don't need a mit degree to figure that it doesn't add up....

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Over how many hands blah blah blah, standard deviation, variance, etc etc.

Concepts you obviously don't grasp.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:07 PM
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When I'm a 95% favorite to win a hand but lose 85% of the time....you don't need a mit degree to figure that it doesn't add up....

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So your top set loses to bottom set on the flop 85% of the time?

Please show your sample, or ban plz.

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Would love to. My pc with pokertracker blew up a few months ago and haven't been playing since.

I'm not kidding, I run that bad.
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