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#104
07-03-2007, 09:18 PM
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Re: Revisiting the Forum Split Idea
To be honest it really seems the majority of the people whom don;t want it are the micro players and I don't see what they are afraid of they can still read and join in it's just that their hh's will be posted in their forum.
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#105
08-08-2007, 11:43 AM
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Re: Revisiting the Forum Split Idea
I used to be anti split... Latley however, I think there is some merit to a split. However, I think our split should go against the common splitting req's...
In our forum we really have a few seperate communities, the uNL players, the 100NL players, and the 200+ NL players. A lot of the 200nl+ players used to be 100nl posters when this forum first started and most of them have progressed upwards together or at similar paces and now here is a the makings of a really solid mid stakes FR community brewing.. Also, I think that the difference between 100nl and 200nl is the biggest gap in skill and gameplay much more so then nl50 - nl100. Therefore, I think if we do end up splitting the forum it should be split that NL100 and lower is the Small and Micro statkes FR forum and NL200+ Is the mid and high stakes FR forum. This will give the uNL players a place to post and learn and will keep traffic of some of the higher small stakes players (NL100) in their forum, and I don't think the uNL players is enough of traffic to keep a forum survigin on thier own, however, if we toss in the NL100 FR traffic, this will provide sufficient traffic. And we have lots of exisiting quality NL100 players and posters who will bring valuable insight and information to the forum. Hopefully this will increase traffic with regards to posts NL25-NL100 and also give the players playing Nl2-NL10 a home and a place to post, where they don't have to worry about cluttering a forum. So yea, ideally we would have a good mix of SSNL FR (NL25-NL100) and uNL FR (NL2-NL10). I know a lot of NL100 players are going to be against putting NL100 in the SSNL/uNL group, however, I think that those who play NL100 are against this splitting for selfish reasons, because the fear the MSNL/HI FR crew will stop giving analysis to thier hands and well everyone has ego problems and doesn't want to be put with the uNL. Yet, I ask that we put that behind us and take this split and group with the lower end for the sake of the forums, and if we put in the work we can grow the forum into a great learning tool for those FR players who play lower then us, and have a great palce to analyize and work on our own play and discuss day-day play. So, I ask that fellow NL100 players not be selfish and embrace the split, and we prepare to give back this community and help the uNL and build our own good community with our fellow players are our stakes. On another point, if we do have a forum split, we need a restructuring of the mods. the SSNL/uNL FR forum would need its own mods and the MSNL/HSNL FR forum would need its own mods also. And then there could be a mod who is modding both forums (Preferably one who jumps in stakes between all the levels). Since I will be participating in the SSNL/uNL FR forum, I would like to see myself and Berge20 be mods of this new forum, and then add another mod preferably who plays the uNL, maybe someone like Teddie. The reasons for having so many is that, more is always better especially when trying to get a forum up off its feet. More of us, especially including a uNL player as a mod, would allow for a better ability to plan forum events and threads based upon what specific needs of players need to be adressed and what there is a demand for. Moving on, then for a mods who can mod both forums, I would like to see CryMeARiver and Diebitter. They both are excellent posters in this forum and they seem to play a variety of stakes relatrive to the two potential forums. I think with these 2 we can't go wrong and this will keep them active in both forums. Which I think is something we can all agree everyone benefits from. And then for the MSNL/HSNL FR forum, I have no idea who should be incharge of this forum, since I do not play these stakes and often I don't read and reply to these posts so I have no idea really whos quality posters. However, there are tons of very very active players who play NL200+ who are also great posters and we really can't go wrong with picking any of that group. Again though I think they would need to pick who plays NL200 primarily and another 1 or 2 who play higher regularly. But yea there is a great lot of posters within that community and you can't go wrong with any of them. So yea, I hope this makes sense, and maybe opens some eyes of some people that were anti-split before and maybe even helped check some NL100 players egos at the door about being part of the SSNL/uNL FR forum... In closing, I think this split needs to happen and needs to happen soon. Because, right now we basically have 3 seperate communities in one forum, and lots of people are feeling out of place and its leading to people being either afraid to post or afraid to reply to posts. And with those being problems, its hard for one cohesive community to grow. Thats why, again, if we split, we could have two great communities in the works, and I'm personally excited for the possibilities.
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#106
08-08-2007, 12:16 PM
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Re: Revisiting the Forum Split Idea
[ QUOTE ]
I used to be anti split... Latley however, I think there is some merit to a split. However, I think our split should go against the common splitting req's... In our forum we really have a few seperate communities, the uNL players, the 100NL players, and the 200+ NL players. A lot of the 200nl+ players used to be 100nl posters when this forum first started and most of them have progressed upwards together or at similar paces and now here is a the makings of a really solid mid stakes FR community brewing.. Also, I think that the difference between 100nl and 200nl is the biggest gap in skill and gameplay much more so then nl50 - nl100. Therefore, I think if we do end up splitting the forum it should be split that NL100 and lower is the Small and Micro statkes FR forum and NL200+ Is the mid and high stakes FR forum. This will give the uNL players a place to post and learn and will keep traffic of some of the higher small stakes players (NL100) in their forum, and I don't think the uNL players is enough of traffic to keep a forum survigin on thier own, however, if we toss in the NL100 FR traffic, this will provide sufficient traffic. And we have lots of exisiting quality NL100 players and posters who will bring valuable insight and information to the forum. Hopefully this will increase traffic with regards to posts NL25-NL100 and also give the players playing Nl2-NL10 a home and a place to post, where they don't have to worry about cluttering a forum. So yea, ideally we would have a good mix of SSNL FR (NL25-NL100) and uNL FR (NL2-NL10). I know a lot of NL100 players are going to be against putting NL100 in the SSNL/uNL group, however, I think that those who play NL100 are against this splitting for selfish reasons, because the fear the MSNL/HI FR crew will stop giving analysis to thier hands and well everyone has ego problems and doesn't want to be put with the uNL. Yet, I ask that we put that behind us and take this split and group with the lower end for the sake of the forums, and if we put in the work we can grow the forum into a great learning tool for those FR players who play lower then us, and have a great palce to analyize and work on our own play and discuss day-day play. So, I ask that fellow NL100 players not be selfish and embrace the split, and we prepare to give back this community and help the uNL and build our own good community with our fellow players are our stakes. On another point, if we do have a forum split, we need a restructuring of the mods. the SSNL/uNL FR forum would need its own mods and the MSNL/HSNL FR forum would need its own mods also. And then there could be a mod who is modding both forums (Preferably one who jumps in stakes between all the levels). Since I will be participating in the SSNL/uNL FR forum, I would like to see myself and Berge20 be mods of this new forum, and then add another mod preferably who plays the uNL, maybe someone like Teddie. The reasons for having so many is that, more is always better especially when trying to get a forum up off its feet. More of us, especially including a uNL player as a mod, would allow for a better ability to plan forum events and threads based upon what specific needs of players need to be adressed and what there is a demand for. Moving on, then for a mods who can mod both forums, I would like to see CryMeARiver and Diebitter. They both are excellent posters in this forum and they seem to play a variety of stakes relatrive to the two potential forums. I think with these 2 we can't go wrong and this will keep them active in both forums. Which I think is something we can all agree everyone benefits from. And then for the MSNL/HSNL FR forum, I have no idea who should be incharge of this forum, since I do not play these stakes and often I don't read and reply to these posts so I have no idea really whos quality posters. However, there are tons of very very active players who play NL200+ who are also great posters and we really can't go wrong with picking any of that group. Again though I think they would need to pick who plays NL200 primarily and another 1 or 2 who play higher regularly. But yea there is a great lot of posters within that community and you can't go wrong with any of them. So yea, I hope this makes sense, and maybe opens some eyes of some people that were anti-split before and maybe even helped check some NL100 players egos at the door about being part of the SSNL/uNL FR forum... In closing, I think this split needs to happen and needs to happen soon. Because, right now we basically have 3 seperate communities in one forum, and lots of people are feeling out of place and its leading to people being either afraid to post or afraid to reply to posts. And with those being problems, its hard for one cohesive community to grow. Thats why, again, if we split, we could have two great communities in the works, and I'm personally excited for the possibilities. [/ QUOTE ] Good post and summarizes my feelings pretty well. I haven't been playing much FR lately (rebuilding with SNGs from huge tilt sprees), but I still call this place home. Since the vast majority of my hands have been played at NL100-200 I feel that is the level I belong at (and where I'll be starting back at again when my roll recovers). I have seen a ton of hands lately popping up at the micros that sometimes bother me and I'm sure other posters too because they are answered simply by referring to pot odds, baluga theorem, zeebo theorem, etc. which many times these posters haven't taken the time to read or understand (from what I can tell; there are several posters who post micro strat that have taken time to analyze and read and it shpws, Teddie comes to mind). Also, there are occasions where hands are posted that are overly simple even for the micros or just posted as beats that clutter the forum. I mean set over set at NL5 should always cost a stack. As for having a midstakes forum, I think it would be great. Most HSNL FR posts are going to be posted in HSNL anyways I feel. This would get some better posters involved in strat. I think Renton would be an excellent mod if he wanted to be. Also, doing a mod overlap like Ryan suggested would be good. IMO, Nation really needs to be dumped as he hasn't been active since the first few weeks that this forum was opened. As someone who has played NL50-NL600 (maybe like 12k hands at NL400 and 600 combined), I too think the biggest skill level jump s between NL100 and NL200. This is even further evidenced by the amount of regs/table and the amount of posters who have made the first transition flawlessly and struggled with moving up to NL200.
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#107
08-08-2007, 12:19 PM
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Re: Revisiting the Forum Split Idea
Id say at least have a microstakes full ring on its own. Im tired of looking at NL10 hands and really cant even comprehend what the hell is happening down there. You really do have a wide gap between the micros and NL100 and above.
It seems lately there are more and more posts of NL25 and smaller, and it bumps some better discussions out of the way. If your not betting in dollars, you need your own forum. We dont have that many hands over NL200 posted, so above NL100 and below would be a good border. You can still read and post in both, and it might actually increase traffic to full ring. If I was a mid-level player and went into full ring now and saw all those micro-stakes posts, id have no interest.
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#109
08-08-2007, 12:21 PM
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Re: Revisiting the Forum Split Idea
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Id say at least have a microstakes full ring on its own. Im tired of looking at NL10 hands and really cant even comprehend what the hell is happening down there. You really do have a wide gap between the micros and NL100 and above. [/ QUOTE ] uNL FR is not sufficient enough to be on its own traffic wise and skillset wise, they need the SSNL FR posters to bring traffic and help them learn and grow as players. If your tired of reading them, don't read them, but I mean I think you should give back to community and read and post in those threads. You don't have to every day or every post that pops up, but occasionally pop in and give some analysis and your opinions on hands and in general theory threads... Give a little back to those below you...
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#110
08-08-2007, 12:28 PM
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Re: Revisiting the Forum Split Idea
I also find that the play in microstakes is so different that it is very hard to analyze at times (meaning <NL10). For instance, you have your 18/10 players, 20/4 players, 55/35 players, and 80/5 players all at the same table. You really don't ever find some of these types more than once in a blue moon at NL200 and definitely not all at the same table (except the 14/9 types). Thus, every hand where no read is specified you will make it tough to get good or consistent advice based on how often the person responding is willing to accept larger variance.
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