200/400 hand vs. sbrubgy 6 handed

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

now everyone has to figure out if aba is gonna use this threaad to overbet the nuts or to bluff again because you expect him to have the nuts now that this thread came up.

[Lefort]

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for those of you who don't understand what aba's post is about, he's basically saying that he is willing to double check-raise in spots where the other player's hand is fairly face-up and a one pair-ish type hand

edited to add also that he will follow up w/ a strong river bluff...

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Yeah I was in the "call" group when I first read it and still (stubbornly) was after reading all of these great players advocating a fold. Basically I just feel like the turn is a GREAT card for him to CR a draw or even air, and that there are a ton more combinations of those than a set/2pr. And even with sets and 2pr's I think he might lead the flop/turn a certain percentage of the time making that range slightly smaller. Then when the river bricks I just feel like Brian is thinking that WL is planning to call any river bet on a brick, so to get him to lay it down he's going to need to make an overbet. Ofcourse this doesn't get into levelling, but I'm a [censored] calling station so I call.. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[r3vbr]

High stakes pros bluff. I call.

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

results?

[igetbadbeat]

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results?

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Here's one situation where i don't care what the results are although I think whitelime folded and semi-regrets it.

[Daddy Warbucks]

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results?

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In white:

<font color="white">Whitelime called, Aba showed AA </font>

[RiverFenix]

How can people discount a 9 to less than 5%? Theyre plenty of 9Xdd hands that could take this line, no? Unless aba is more inclined to look to lead/3b them on the flop.

[ArmenH]

So, based on Aba's historical tendencies, he usually has air in this spot..Your hand was never face up. KJ, doesn't bet 1,200 on the turn here. That bet looks like an attempt to just steal the pot or maybe you picked up a club draw or straight draw or both on turn. Aba knows your bet doesn't show strength and simply exploited you. River pairing the board didn't complete any draws so he over bet pot w/o a hand expecting your missed draw to muck. Pretty standard.
Why didn't you continuation bet the flop? Or when Aba checked to you on 4th street why the weak bet?

[pplayer28]

Seems like a perfect spot to overbet the pot as aba did. Just another reason portraying why aba dominates the high stakes games, he mixes it up flawlessly and executed this hand to perfection against whitelime.

IMO, it is definitely one of those situational hands where very rarely will aba get raised making that bet (assume only a fh raises), yet a weaker hand will feel so inclined to call and pay him off from the absolute creativity of the line while still pinning whitelime on his hand. Well played by aba, and whitelime, hell of a tough call/fold - flip coin deffff.

[fslexcduck]

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FullTiltPoker Game #2270050786: Table Dawn (deep 6) - $150/$300 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:35:10 ET - 2007/04/23
Seat 2: The Gift of Gab ($110,044.50)
Seat 6: sbrugby ($78,845)
The Gift of Gab posts the small blind of $150
sbrugby posts the big blind of $300
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sbrugby [5s Ks]
The Gift of Gab raises to $900
sbrugby calls $600
*** FLOP *** [8d Qd 7s]
sbrugby checks
The Gift of Gab checks
*** TURN *** [8d Qd 7s] [2c]
sbrugby checks
The Gift of Gab bets $1,800
sbrugby raises to $7,200
The Gift of Gab calls $5,400
*** RIVER *** [8d Qd 7s 2c] [4c]
sbrugby bets $32,000
The Gift of Gab has 15 seconds left to act
The Gift of Gab calls $32,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sbrugby shows [5s Ks] (King Queen high)
The Gift of Gab shows [8c Td] (a pair of Eights)
The Gift of Gab wins the pot ($80,199.50) with a pair of Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $80,200 | Rake $0.50
Board: [8d Qd 7s 2c 4c]
Seat 2: The Gift of Gab (small blind) showed [8c Td] and won ($80,199.50) with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: sbrugby (big blind) showed [5s Ks] and lost with King Queen high

FullTiltPoker Game #2102465355: Table Canfield (6 max) - $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:51:30 ET - 2007/03/30
Seat 3: sbrugby ($72,596)
Seat 4: Urindanger ($45,399)
Seat 5: KOMIJENDO ($82,794.50)
KOMIJENDO posts the small blind of $200
sbrugby posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sbrugby [Js Qh]
Urindanger raises to $1,400
KOMIJENDO folds
sbrugby calls $1,000
*** FLOP *** [Ts Ah 2d]
sbrugby checks
Urindanger checks
*** TURN *** [Ts Ah 2d] [7s]
sbrugby checks
Urindanger bets $2,800
sbrugby raises to $9,200
Urindanger calls $6,400
*** RIVER *** [Ts Ah 2d 7s] [6h]
sbrugby bets $20,800
Urindanger calls $20,800
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sbrugby shows [Js Qh] (Ace Queen high)
Urindanger shows [4s Ad] (a pair of Aces)
Urindanger wins the pot ($62,999) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $63,000 | Rake $1
Board: [Ts Ah 2d 7s 6h]
Seat 3: sbrugby (big blind) showed [Js Qh] and lost with Ace Queen high
Seat 4: Urindanger (button) showed [4s Ad] and won ($62,999) with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: KOMIJENDO (small blind) folded before the Flop


I think its a good call. I agree there is a ton of really bad advise in this thread. I personally think Stinger's is the best advice.

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brian, come on... i know you are trying to make a point that you can show up with a bluff here... but really? in both of these two hands, very reasonable draws completed on the river whereas in this hand, almost a complete blank fell. are you honestly implying that these situations are the same?

i really think vs someone with whom you do not have a ton of history, you do not expect that person to fold for an overbet at least 2/3 of the time when a blank falls on the river . do you have any hand histories you want to dig up where you bluff in this situation to prove me wrong?