Women Are Not Oppressed.

[bkholdem]

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OP - You should read "Spreading Misandry" and "Legalizing Misandry" for more on this. Lots of good scholarly support in those books for your argument.

You mentioned Lifetime, etc.'s portrayal of women. What you failed to mention is that just about every Lifetime movie is about a cheating/murdering/battering man. If you only watched Lifetime you'd think every male was a homicidal monster. Women evidently like this portrayal of men. Maybe a movie about a husband who works a crappy job every day to support his family just doesn't interest women.

Also men on tv (especially sitcoms) are invariably portrayed as easily-amused dimwits, while the wives are always the long-suffering, patient brains of the operation.

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not to mention the first ten years of Oprah....

every show was a variation of..

"Inadequate men and the women who put up with them"

[revots33]

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They have the societal role because they get paid more for the exact same work.

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So let's say every job on the planet had a fixed salary, so that all women and men got the exact same pay for the exact same work. According to you this means that 50% of men would now stay home and let their wives support the family? Since according to you, societal norms have nothing to do with who has the traditional breadwinner role.

This completely ignores that:

1. Many women WANT to stay home and are willing to give up career advancement to do it.
2. Many men might also want the same thing, but since they are "only" the fathers their choice is secondary to the woman's.

I'm sorry but it is just silly to assume that the only reason women primarily raise the children is because the men make (unfairly, of course) more money.

I have 7 close poker buddies, we all live in the suburbs. They all work extremely long hours at extremely stressful jobs while thier wives stay home. On many occasions the wives have told me how whenever their kids are giving them trouble, they remember how great it is to not have to go to work everyday. I'd like to see how these marriages would fare if my male friends decided to switch and let their wives financially support the family for a while. Probably end up in divorce court. Wonder who'd get the kids and the house?

[bills217]

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Though I haven't looked at any very recent reports, the findings used to be that women made less then men for doing the exact same job. (regardless of whether or not the job is dangerous)

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Already posted once in this thread, guess I'll do it again:

Women earn MORE than men for the same job

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But what happens when women make the same lucrative decisions typically made by men? The good news — for women, at least: Women actually earn more. For example, when a male and a female civil engineer both stay with their respective companies for ten years, travel and relocate equally and take the same career risks, the woman ends up making more. And among workers who have never been married and never had children, women earn 117% of what men do. (This factors in education, hours worked and age.)

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The author of this article is such a venomous woman-hater that he has been elected to the NOW board of directors 3 times. He also wrote this book.

[bills217]

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It is a perfect example in that a wage gap exists between men and women preforming *IDENTICAL* tasks at *IDENTICAL* levels of competence.

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I agree this is disturbing. Personally I favor a government subsidy of 17% of every man's salary to help us catch up.

[bkholdem]

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Not saying women don't have some legitimate gripes but let's not pretend they are all at the mercy of the all-powerful male.

That's fine, so long as we don't pretend lack of opportunity is a privilege.

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what % of adult women support men?
now what % of adult men support women?

all those women earning the same as men....
when they go on dates, who pays?

[bills217]

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basic egalitarian desire for simple fairness

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Forced egalitarianism is the opposite of fair.

[bkholdem]

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It is a perfect example in that a wage gap exists between men and women preforming *IDENTICAL* tasks at *IDENTICAL* levels of competence.

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I agree this is disturbing. Personally I favor a government subsidy of 17% of every man's salary to help us catch up.

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and about 10k to cover the costs of dating prior to marriage.

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women have 3 choices:
1. work
2. work part time and stay home part time
3. stay at home

men have 3 choices
1.work
2. work
3. work

There's no reason you and your baby mama couldn't decide that you should:

A) work part time and be home part time or
B) stay home full time

Either of those options is quite possible.

[bkholdem]

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women have 3 choices:
1. work
2. work part time and stay home part time
3. stay at home

men have 3 choices
1.work
2. work
3. work

There's no reason you and your baby mama couldn't decide that you should:

A) work part time and be home part time or
B) stay home full time

Either of those options is quite possible.

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and there's no reason why women can't be ceo's.

[bills217]

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It is a perfect example in that a wage gap exists between men and women preforming *IDENTICAL* tasks at *IDENTICAL* levels of competence.

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I agree this is disturbing. Personally I favor a government subsidy of 17% of every man's salary to help us catch up.

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and about 10k to cover the costs of dating prior to marriage.

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Writing my congressman - OOPS congressperson - as we speak. Do you think I should ask for a pony too or would that be pushing it? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]