Stars 25-50 Shortstackers

[hasugopher]

everyone,

I doubt stars (or any site for that matter) is going to take any significant steps towards getting rid of short-stacking, whether by raising the minimum buyin, making new tables, increasing the 'rathole' time, etc. As-is, short-stackers/ratholers are +EV for the site and there's no question about it (min buyin protects some players' bankrolls, tigther games = more hands = more rake).

If we were going to go down that route (contacting stars), our highest chance of success would be get together a very large group of regulars from all different stakes, then we could really have a voice. We could start out by demanding that changes be made.

That said, I don't see any changes being made in that regard anytime soon, and while I'm a regular on stars, I think full tilt would be the ones to really try to combat this first.

The real solution is to play better against them. It always irks me when someone raises to 4x then calls a tight short stack's shove for 20bb+ with any 2. You just have to adapt, especially with one on your left. If everyone just played better (raising to 4xbb with 20%+ of your hands and calling a shove with any 2 with a shortie on your left is just terrible) against them, they would be less profitable, harder to play, would endure worse variance, and there would be less around.

Also, if there is a short stack all-in with a protected main pot, I like to think of that as being not unlike late stages of a tournament. You want to cut down on as many of the short stacker's edge as possible, because if they are any good, it is grossly -ev to have them in your game.

[hasugopher]

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getting hit and run is not unethical.

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Finally someone is making sense in this thread.

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You guys must not have been around poker for very long. Ratholing and doing a hit and run are two of the most unethical things in poker that are not cheating.

[Oden\'s Hammer]

I agree. Shortstacks breaks the rythm of playing true deep stack poker. Shortstack for 25/50 should be no less than $2k and even better at $3k minimum buy in.

[I Gotta Push]

I've read the entire thread and my conclusion is that I am going to start short-stacking.

[Squareview]

i hate nits

[stoxtrader]

empiremaker - don't you play about 11/9 7+ handed? maybe that's not pertinent here.

I don't think shortstacks make much, if any, money.

[Prevaricator]

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empiremaker - don't you play about 11/9 7+ handed? maybe that's not pertinent here.

I don't think shortstacks make much, if any, money.

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i dont think they make too much (although im sure they are happy with whatever small % they make) but it disrupts the game and is not hard to do. That is the biggest issue imo

[WutRUTryin2Hit]

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I don't think shortstacks make much, if any, money.

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This is kind of a weak disclaimer after the prolonged ad for ratholing. Seriously, if you don't want people to do it, do not start threads like this, I bet a bunch of people are considering it now.

[EmpireMaker2]

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empiremaker - don't you play about 11/9 7+ handed? maybe that's not pertinent here.

I don't think shortstacks make much, if any, money.

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YEa since my stats are 23-19 on databases.....U [censored] idiot.

[Clayton]

hey, no hating on stox. stox is god. respek.