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#101
12-19-2006, 09:25 PM
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Re: For those that think botting isn\'t too big of a problem
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People wanting "harder proof" before accepting that there are bots are dumb. There's plenty of threads with hudreds of responses and facts that prove with 95% of certainty that there are many winning bots running. In some sense we are quite lucky at the moment, because we can detect bots with that much certainty. Closing eyes now and waiting for harder proof is stupid. We aren't going to get much better proof, we are not that lucky. Bots will only get better. They will also get better at avoiding detection. It is not that hard to make them give simplistic responses to chat or have "personal" random characteristics that prevent all bots from a bot farm having identical VPIP, for example. As bot technology advances bots will only become harder and harder to detect. And saying "they can only beat low limits" or "they cannot beat NL" is equally dumb. Look back at how much technology has advanced in 10 or 20 years. Making video calls on my mobile phone sounded pretty scifi 15 years ago! There's money in botting and bot technology will be lightyears ahead in 5, 10, or 15 years time. [/ QUOTE ] Great post. 
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#102
12-19-2006, 09:27 PM
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Re: For those that think botting isn\'t too big of a problem
They wouldn't give me details of their actions. What more can I say? I'm not going to make something up.
Ok - what is your take on the whole 10/20 Party Bot post? Do you believe it was just 40 human players who all played identically and all stopped playing at exactly the same time by coincidence?
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#103
12-19-2006, 09:31 PM
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Re: For those that think botting isn\'t too big of a problem
What botmakers don't realize is that the more bots they make and the better they get the more people won't wanna play poker. Then the games will become even tougher for the bots. And they won't be profitable anymore.
If their motivation is to make money, I think their time would be better spent learning the game. They would probably make more money in the long run. If they are doing it for fun well then fine. 90% of Winholdem ers would be better off just learning the game. These people don't respect the game. And they endanger the livelihood they seek to profit from. LOL at Ray Bornett saying he wants to demostrate the hypocrisy of the online casinos. He just wants to make a buck. He acts like he is on some moral crusade. When really his actions are highly hypocritical. It takes about 2500 hours or so supposedly to make a profitable bot at medium stakes. So lets let these highly determined individuals have their fun for the moment. What can I do? Well I don't have pokertracker or anything. But, I do monitor suspicious nonhuman like behavior and report it to customer service and keep note in case any new threads come up. That is my service to myself and the online community. Maybe I will buy pokertracker for this reason.
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#104
12-19-2006, 09:31 PM
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Re: For those that think botting isn\'t too big of a problem
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[ QUOTE ] I like the idea of a bot recognition thread. With all the HHs accumulated by 2+2ers, we should be able to sniff them out. Suspected bots can be listed by site, name, stakes, stats (if available) and potentially confirmed by other's HHs. Unfortunately, as is many times the case with a 2+2 thread, it could quickly disintegrate into a chaotic mess... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I like this idea too. If the "politics" are kept out of the thread (bots are not a problem they suck, no they're the end of poker as we know it), it could be a tremendous resource to hunt down and out these cheaters. While sites don't seem to be actively preventing or removing bots from their games, at least Party and Absolute have (apparently) shown a willingness to kick them off the network when players bring them to their attention. A group of 2+2ers sharing information on suspected bots would likely put a serious dent into botting at the big sites. $0.02 [/ QUOTE ] I have been thinking about/working on something like this for the past few days. If anybody with programming experience wants to help me out, please pm me.
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#105
12-19-2006, 11:03 PM
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Re: For those that think botting isn\'t too big of a problem
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What botmakers don't realize is that the more bots they make and the better they get the more people won't wanna play poker. Then the games will become even tougher for the bots. And they won't be profitable anymore. [/ QUOTE ] It's known as 'the tragedy of the commons'. The common resource is exploited to destruction. Think mining areas, fishing grounds etc.
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#106
12-20-2006, 01:31 AM
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Re: For those that think botting isn\'t too big of a problem
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[ QUOTE ] What botmakers don't realize is that the more bots they make and the better they get the more people won't wanna play poker. Then the games will become even tougher for the bots. And they won't be profitable anymore. [/ QUOTE ] It's known as 'the tragedy of the commons'. The common resource is exploited to destruction. Think mining areas, fishing grounds etc. [/ QUOTE ] These guys were skipping class and playing poker instead of studying their basic economics. I doubt they ever heard of the "tragedy of the commons". They will, however,understand it well enough in due course. Tuff
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#107
12-20-2006, 03:28 AM
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Re: For those that think botting isn\'t too big of a problem
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What botmakers don't realize is that the more bots they make and the better they get the more people won't wanna play poker. Then the games will become even tougher for the bots. And they won't be profitable anymore. [/ QUOTE ] It's known as 'the tragedy of the commons'. The common resource is exploited to destruction. Think mining areas, fishing grounds etc. [/ QUOTE ] These guys were skipping class and playing poker instead of studying their basic economics. I doubt they ever heard of the "tragedy of the commons". They will, however,understand it well enough in due course. Tuff [/ QUOTE ]You seem to be quite bitter and hopeful that everyone that is successful in a particular area that you arent will be punished somehow.At least your comments the last week or so give that impression.Im sure youd be happy if every "multi-tabling hudbot" was reduced to playing live poker with four drunk scrubs.After all,these are the conditions in which you "shine" right???Your selfish wishful thinking has no effect on anything or anyone concerning this issue.I doubt you are aware of this FACT.You will, however,understand it well enough in due course.
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#108
12-20-2006, 03:32 AM
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Re: For those that think botting isn\'t too big of a problem
Btw,i pray i sounded half as condescending and arrogant as you have in your recent posts.
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#109
12-20-2006, 05:33 AM
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Btw,i pray i sounded half as condescending and arrogant as you have in your recent posts. [/ QUOTE ] Amen brother. Tuff really lives off the back of this idiocy thing. I wish he'd stick to looking stupid. It's what he does best.
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#110
12-20-2006, 09:01 AM
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Re: For those that think botting isn\'t too big of a problem
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What botmakers don't realize is that the more bots they make and the better they get the more people won't wanna play poker. Then the games will become even tougher for the bots. And they won't be profitable anymore. [/ QUOTE ] It's known as 'the tragedy of the commons'. The common resource is exploited to destruction. Think mining areas, fishing grounds etc. [/ QUOTE ] These guys were skipping class and playing poker instead of studying their basic economics. I doubt they ever heard of the "tragedy of the commons". They will, however,understand it well enough in due course. Tuff [/ QUOTE ] Hey Tuff, this has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with you making useless predictions.
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